What level of nudity would you like to see in Ashes of Creation?

ArchivedUser

Simple filter button is the way to go. Every game with a chat component these days has a profanity filter to save little Johnny from learning bad words. Put in a clickable option for a nudity filter and the issue is done. Personally I think the people making the "My children will be playing this game." argument are in for a big surprise the first time their little darling pisses me off and gets told to "Go fuck themselves." Oh my oh my the utter outrage, you said some bad words to my child that I let play an open world game on the internet. I must report you, because the failure isn't my bad parenting decisions for letting my special, special snowflake play in the deep end of the pool, but you typed some bad words. They have already said they are not going to implement "endowment" sliders ala Conan Exiles, but would love to see realistic sliders during character creation.

ArchivedUser

If I wanted nudity I'd just go watch porn.

The only people who could be said to have a reason to care would be RPers worried about immersion but I don't think they care much either.

ArchivedUser

NEKKID CHOICE

FILTER YES

GIVE IT TO PEOPLE THANK~

ArchivedUser

Nudity is something natural, it has nothing to do with being slutty.
I prefer nudity to be in game than to see out of character slutty outfits. Not that I mind sexy, but there is way of proposing tasteful in character alluring outfits that doesn't look like cheap fan-service.

ArchivedUser

Kind of an odd poll.  I don't think many players care about what is shown when you undress your character, as the poll results show.

I assume it will be the standard undergarments but no actual nude parts showing.  Kids will be playing this after all.

ArchivedUser

Yeah, fine for kids to murder people and wantonly kill animals - heaven forfend they see human anatomy.

ArchivedUser

Dygz said:

Yeah, fine for kids to murder people and wantonly kill animals - heaven forfend they see human anatomy.

Reminds me on Secret World community.

It's fine to have murder, cut arms and legs, whole faction getting narcotic abuse and alcohol problems, horrible medical experimentation on little children, child torturing... mass terrorism... you name it. People had no issues with those whatsoever... ...

But... when simple nudity came in question, hell no, "nudity would make the game horrible" and inappropriate.
Lmao, I will not say what I think of such people here, because of forum code of conduct, but my words would be far from pretty.

But I guess there is all kinds of people on this world. If there were not, hey we might actually live in a nice world without problems.

ArchivedUser

So for all those who want/support nudity in the game, what exactly does it add to the game besides supposed "immersion"? I say that because about the only time you would have immersion regarding nudity would be RPers regarding sexual acts and people playing dress up. Do you really think people in a post apocalyptic world would be running around town in the nude, which is exactly what would happen if full nudity was in. To me that would be more immersion breaking than actually being immersive.

I understand people who want to leave it as a choice/toggle so those that want it can have it while those who don't simply don't have to see it. As I said before this would create a negative public stigma usually reflected on the ratings given to the game. Whether or not you agree with that judgement is frankly irrelevant and the damage done is there. 

@Dygz even if you want to make an equivalency of killing pixels to ogling pixels and how one is no different than the other, stop and think about the relevance of each to the game itself. Combat and killing is one of the core parts of this game, it would be impossible to have the game without it. Nudity? The existence of it adds nothing valuable to the game, the absence of it detracts nothing. 

ArchivedUser

It makes little difference for me. 

ArchivedUser

Zedlee said:

Do you really think people in a post apocalyptic world would be running around town in the nude, which is exactly what would happen if full nudity was in.

If you look out from your window sometimes, even in present day, in your world, there are peoples running around naked, and it's not even a post apocalyptic world yet. You see those so called femen activists or how are they called often protest naked.

Zedlee said:

@Dygz even if you want to make an equivalency of killing pixels to ogling pixels and how one is no different than the other, stop and think about the relevance of each to the game itself. Combat and killing is one of the core parts of this game, it would be impossible to have the game without it. Nudity? The existence of it adds nothing valuable to the game, the absence of it detracts nothing. 

You see there are loots of games where there are no killing, and they are functional without it, so where are your argument again?

ArchivedUser

If nudity is added and armor is known to have durability and will be destroyed if not repaired will I be forced to run back to town nude if my pants break while questing, farming, ect...? That's going to be awkward...

ArchivedUser

Better to keep things in the imagination.

ArchivedUser

Seeing as we have animal like races. I think with nudity comes the futas

ArchivedUser

Zedlee said:

So for all those who want/support nudity in the game, what exactly does it add to the game besides supposed "immersion"? I say that because about the only time you would have immersion regarding nudity would be RPers regarding sexual acts and people playing dress up. Do you really think people in a post apocalyptic world would be running around town in the nude, which is exactly what would happen if full nudity was in. To me that would be more immersion breaking than actually being immersive.

I understand people who want to leave it as a choice/toggle so those that want it can have it while those who don't simply don't have to see it. As I said before this would create a negative public stigma usually reflected on the ratings given to the game. Whether or not you agree with that judgement is frankly irrelevant and the damage done is there. 

@Dygz even if you want to make an equivalency of killing pixels to ogling pixels and how one is no different than the other, stop and think about the relevance of each to the game itself. Combat and killing is one of the core parts of this game, it would be impossible to have the game without it. Nudity? The existence of it adds nothing valuable to the game, the absence of it detracts nothing. 

Players are going to run around in the nude regardless - to whatever degree nudity is possible. Players are going to cyber - regardless of the degree of nudity.

Rust has full nudity. Conan Exiles has full nudity.
I don't recall stigma that negatively impacted those games.

It would be absurd to state that killing people and looking at nudity have no differences.
The argument that engaging in wanton killing in games is less damaging to children than ogling nudity because killing is core gameplay is equally absurd.

The value of nudity in an RPG is going to be subjective.
The poll indicates that most people really don't care that much.
Take it or leave it. Because nudity is just nudity. 
Most people are nude every day. Few people kill every day.
Most children also are nude every day, btw. Hopefully they aren't killing people every day.

ArchivedUser

im nude ride now.

ArchivedUser

People who are so opposed to nudity in game should also request animals to be clothed too! Cause all animals are nude as well, and they have all parts that we do!

ArchivedUser

Currently with 147 votes:

22% anti nudity
39% pro nudity (with various nudity degree)
39% don't care either way

ArchivedUser

Though I probably would play ashes with an optional nudity setting I would be less inclined to invite people to the game and would be looking for a game like ashes to play that didn't have nudity.

ArchivedUser

Let's ask ourselves - what would adding nudity do to the game?

Pros - can look at naked girls/boys, including your own character.

Cons - higher rating would be required (which would eliminate some of the audience), would potentially promote/attract more creepy behavior.

Alternatives - Go onto any of the 5 bajillion sites around the world that let you look at naked people. If you're into specifically 3D things, there are plenty of programs to help you create your perfect 3D character, but naked.

Conclusion - there are few positives to adding nudity to Ashes, and significant negatives. Additionally, there are viable alternatives to substitute for anything you might get out of it, however there's no real way to mitigate the impact of the decision should it be implemented.

Therefore, let's not add nudity, please. Have underwear, sure. But let's not get any genitalia in there.

ArchivedUser

It'll make for a sexier party
Honestly, I don't care. Allow it to be an option. Game is for mature audiences anyway. As for dealing with creepers, so what? My character is going to be a woman and I am a grown ass man. Creep on me! Just prepare for the trolling

@T-Elf sex sells. It'll likely attract more than it will push away.

ArchivedUser

It's the type of people it will attract...creeps.  I'm interested in quality, not quantity. 

ArchivedUser

T-Elf said:

It's the type of people it will attract...creeps.  I'm interested in quality, not quantity. 

You maybe interested in about it, but you see a game can be full of brain surgeons, the quality still not going to pay the bills, while the quantity will...

In the first place, most of the players will be casual/noobs anyway regardless of nudity, so if you look forward to a quality player base, then you better just stop already.

In truth, games are financed by the dumb mashes, and not the quality players...

ArchivedUser

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  

ArchivedUser

sexualising characters is fine but I don't think you need to have them naked. Scantily clad is fine

ArchivedUser

I think it should be up to the individual how their character appears.

ArchivedUser

1pwny said:

Let's ask ourselves - what would adding nudity do to the game?

Pros - can look at naked girls/boys, including your own character.

Cons - higher rating would be required (which would eliminate some of the audience), would potentially promote/attract more creepy behavior.

Alternatives - Go onto any of the 5 bajillion sites around the world that let you look at naked people. If you're into specifically 3D things, there are plenty of programs to help you create your perfect 3D character, but naked.

Conclusion - there are few positives to adding nudity to Ashes, and significant negatives. Additionally, there are viable alternatives to substitute for anything you might get out of it, however there's no real way to mitigate the impact of the decision should it be implemented.

Therefore, let's not add nudity, please. Have underwear, sure. But let's not get any genitalia in there.

If your argument is that increased rating would reduce audience then FINE, lets remove killing as well, rating will be even lower and you will have even MORE AUDIENCE!

People in Ashes can play farmille! Because what you can do with killing anyway, you can click and see pixels disappear, including your own character.

Alternatives, you can go watch a Rambo if you wanna see killing !!!

Conclusion: there is no positives for killing in Ashes, and lots of negatives, higher rating and less audience!

Therefore let's not add killing please. Have players and monsters sure, but let's not get any deaths in there.

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ArchivedUser

Ninja Shadow said:

Though I probably would play ashes with an optional nudity setting I would be less inclined to invite people to the game and would be looking for a game like ashes to play that didn't have nudity.

If Ashes will not have nudity I will be less inclined to invite people to the game, and I will be looking for a game like Ashes to play that has nudity.

ArchivedUser

T-Elf said:

(having nudity) It's the type of people it will attract...creeps.  I'm interested in quality, not quantity. 

I think opposite from you, people that dislike nudity are creeps. I also want quality over quantity, so whoever doesn't like nudity can walk away.

ArchivedUser

I was originally for optional nudity, to let everyone play how they want. Because that's the only fair option right? Someone with logical mind might think so...

But now that I see how selfish people don't give a damn about others, and want to force their play style on everyone else, I wish to change my vote to mandatory nudity.

Also clothes should get destroyed in combat and characters should be naked, with genitalia out, until damaged players run to city and repair themselves.

ArchivedUser

Gothix said:

I was originally for optional nudity, to let everyone play how they want. Because that's the only fair option right? Someone with logical mind might think so...

But now that I see how selfish people don't give a damn about others, and want to force their play style on everyone else, I wish to change my vote to mandatory nudity.

Also clothes should get destroyed in combat and characters should be naked, with genitalia out, until damaged players run to city and repair themselves.

Wow 4 posts in a row... talk about a combo breaker! Don't confuse selfishness for opinion. You asked the community what it thought about a topic even included a poll. People spoke their mind just because they don't share the same view as you doesn't mean they are selfish.

As for your last 4 post (as of now) each one is full of logical fallacies. Take your first example 
Gothix said:

If your argument is that increased rating would reduce audience then FINE, lets remove killing as well, rating will be even lower and you will have even MORE AUDIENCE!

People in Ashes can play farmille! Because what you can do with killing anyway, you can click and see pixels disappear, including your own character.

Alternatives, you can go watch a Rambo if you wanna see killing !!!

Conclusion: there is no positives for killing in Ashes, and lots of negatives, higher rating and less audience!

Therefore let's not add killing please. Have players and monsters sure, but let's not get any deaths in there.

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This is a false equivalence fallacy. You assume nudity and killing fall under the same rating and for the same reasons. But they're not Americans are raised with the idea that nudity is wrong or taboo. (I'm not saying nudity is right or wrong) And killing is seen as normal. Look at a movie you can watch a movie with killing at the age of 13 where a movie with sex requires the age of 18. There are plenty of other examples of this in our culture as well. 

As for your conclusion saying there are no positives for killing in a game that's core gameplay is conflict. (one of the 4 pillars is pvp and another is pve [yes I'm still counting npcs as killing]) I really have no idea how you came to this.

As your responses go on they really start to fall apart even more. Instead of trying to attack others arguments try telling us why you think nudity would be a good addition This would help your arguments and allow us to understand as well.

Its good to be enthusiastic about what you want. And stating your opinion is great. But this looks like it might be going deeper then opinions. Remember these are all opinions no one is being selfish for stating what they want.