Glorious Alpha Two Testers!
Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
What level of nudity would you like to see in Ashes of Creation?
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
And you know what assumption is right?
To continue, if people have a selfish desire they are being selfish, as simple as that. They simply stated what they want yes, and the thing they want in this instance IS selfish. Therefore they are being selfish about this.
To continue, the only logical fallacies are in your post, not mine. I do not assume nudity and killing are in same rating, I never wrote this anywhere, so not only you are in fallacy, you also invent not existing things to support your arguments. Furthermore, weather nudity and killing are in same rating or not is completely irrelevant, as I stated removing killing lowers rating even more (there is several ratings you know) and allows even broader audience into the game, which is completely correct.
Furthermore It looks like you conclude because something is done in certain way in America it is the reason that game should be done in such way. Game is designed for whole world and not only for America buddy, so get off of your high pedestal. And not whole world sees killing as something normal.
As you continue your arguments fall even more appart.
Also, core game play is what devs decide to do and not what you decide. Things can change how devs want. They could make nudity a core game play if they wished so and completely remove killing from being necessary in a game.
Remember if someone states his opinion, and with this opinion he shows his selfish desire, yes he is being selfish.
Supporting an option that allows everyone to play as they want = not selfish.
Wishing that everyone must play as you see fit = selfish.
So please, do not claim that someone has some logical fallacies because you are most definitely not qualified to state that, as shown in your post.
Look Guys & Gals ...if you want to see stuff like that - there's other, more appropriate, sites to cater your needs. Go " Blow-off-some-steam " over there, rationalize with yourself, and then come back give your "honest" opinion.
Stop letting your Hormones get in the way.
you got to remember, we would like for Multiple Audiences to be attracted to this Upcoming MMORPG, right ?
... And if Devs wants to add some Lewds Nudes, they can squeeze that in the Taverns Inns
( ... Far back in some Private Rooms )
Rivest is correct in stating that there is a fallacy in the logic. The devs have already designed the game around killing. That will not change. But, if killing was taken out, the game wouldn't be Ashes of Creation anymore, it would be something completely different. However, whether or not nudity is in this game does not at all affect any component of this game and it will play the same regardless. By comparing the two in a similar way you are making it seem like they are held to the same standard, which they aren't. Thus false equivalency.
AoC is being made in a country who's culture rates nudity as being more mature than killing and it therefore will effect how the game is made despite the fact that other countries will receive the title.
Also, asking people for their opinion and then calling them selfish for giving their opinion seems a bit wrong. And to call only one side of the spectrum as being selfish for sharing their opinion shows some bias. And your first post of the ones quoted has you becoming the very people you are calling selfish.
There are no right or wrong opinions when it comes to this. There are only preferences and we should respect all preferences whether we agree with them or not. All
2. I'm writing all my posts well argued, without any hormones getting in a way.
3. Read my previous post. Removing killing will let even more audiences buy the game, but does this means it's good for the game? Now apply that same logic for nudity and maybe you will have a revelation.
4. They can also place it everywhere in open world.
2. And how do you know what will change and what will not? You can say that it is not likely to change, but not that it will not change.
3. It would still be "Ashes of Creation" only without killing...
4. And again how can you claim that? Nudity may very well be incorporated in a way that it play a SIGNIFICANT role in a game, if devs wish so. Remember game will also be full of politics, arrangements etc. Nudity can easily be implemented in a way to play a important part.
5. Again, in your own opinion. You are very cheeky to push your own standard on everyone else.
6. Populations of all countries will bring profit to the company, and life to the game, thus other countries are not only "receiving the title" as you say it. Again extremely cheeky to claim American way should be the way for everyone else as well... Americans will be only a part of a whole gaming population mate, and if game isn't made to fit with standards of other countries as well, it is not likely to have such bright future.
7. Why? I asked their opinion and I saw they have selfish opinion, I'm stating things correctly, not wrong.
8. But only one side of spectrum is selfish... that side that wants everyone to play how they wish (both those that voted for no nudity at all, and small number that voted for mandatory nudity). The most people that voted to allow everyone to play as desired aren't selfish.
Honestly I'm stumped... I really am...
You're over-thinking this in more ways than one. And my previous Comment was not specifically targeted towards you either - if i wanted that to be so ... then i'd have use the , " @ " insignia -but i didn't , yeah ?
And its not opinionated - its obvious.
Expressing yourself freely is one thing - but not specifically giving reasons as to why I'm wrong is just sloppy on your behalf
( but wait ... its " my opinion " right ? Exactly ... big difference between the two )
This is an MMO where some Parents wants their kids playing - I've actually played an MMO where Parents allow their kids to Play ... and it was very cute to watch too
More importantly .... you & a few others seem to be indecisive about this, huh ?
In that case ... if such a thing is implemented ... then I want those " Naked-Players " to take Twice as much Damage* from all Sources AND i want your Combat-Effectiveness noticeably reduced - just to prove how Reckless that is in an Open-World PvP Environment
And hope those PKers seize the Opportunity too.Because i will NOT see Naked-Players somehow out-doing me in Combat-Effectiveness when they aren't even wearing anything
RP is one thing ( ~~Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge~~
But Consequences of being Naked is a must imho
( This is not some ... " Prilly-Nilly , Lets go Party, Ken & Barbie " BS
When I said that killing and nudity are not held to the same standard I was referring to the game's standard so it is not my opinion, it is the devs'. Killing is objectively more important to this game that nudity. Steven is designing his game that way. It's not an argument. If he changes the game to have nudity be an important part of the game then that is a whole different thing, but the fact is it is not important in the design of the game right now.
If you are mad that people are being "selfish" by choosing the two polar options then whe did you ask the question in the first place?
I never "claimed" that the "American way is the way for everyone else" I simply said that the game is being developed in America and thus would be influenced by its culture. Not to mention the game is being made by Americans as well so again more influence from American culture. I'm not saying that that is right, I'm just saying that that is going to be a factor in development.
but even if that was the case ...
America is an immigrant Country - filled with multiple Cultures from around the World. Some slightly altered.
( hence a mixture of multiple cultures, thus a Broadened Aspect of Ideals along with Collaboration of those "same" ideals ... #Nativesweretherefirst )
But i don't know why such Forums-Members are " that " Adamant in wanting Nudity ... to go so far as to express nationalism ??
*sigh* i wished Forum-Members were " this " adamant in speculating Class Abilities & and others Core Aspects of this Future MMO
1. No, its opinionated, some people prefer real thing, some prefer movies, some prefer drawn, some prefer it in MMO. So for you to claim that there are better places to do something is both opinionated, and plain wrong in case of many people.
2. There you go, read point number 1
3. And for some reason human anatomy is bad for kids, but murdering other people is ok for kids? You have awful double standards. I'm quite stumped how you bring kids playing as an argument in a game full of murder and saying nudity would be wrong and prevent kids from playing......
4. I seem indecisive in what exactly? lol
5. Magic mate, magic... clothes has nothing to do with it.
6. In your opinion, and again, consider this is fantasy game with ... yeah magic
Seriously, if you do not see your errors by now, I can honestly not explain to you and will not waste my time trying anymore....
Sometimes any attempts are just futile... even by picturing everything as clear as you can.
I gave it a fair attempt, that's all one can ask.
... I highly advise to re-read what i typed. All of what i typed is meant to interpreted Literally.
you try to Counter-Actively rectify other Comments, but you inevitably proved nothing but your ignorance - nothing I've stated is assumed - everything I've stated is meant to be Literally Comprehended ...
It's oblivious that there are other Pornographic Sites - that is what i meant.
( Or do you not know what sarcasm means ? )
Don't be daft - look what choice you voted for ... and its states you want Nudity to be optional ( Hence: indecisive )
( Everyone can see what you voted ~.~ )
That’s not the point. I just find it a little shameful how Forum Members devote their time discussing about this pointless topic while it contributes to nothing to the Core of The game itself
And I’ve seen this topic up before – just re-worded, but still redundant . My point is that I wish we could talk about other aspects of this MMO that’ll really be appealing to eye – and THAT would truly attract more of the Community
(no pun intended xD )
It means I want everyone to be able to play exactly how he wants.
Whoever wants nudity can play with nudity.
Whoever doesn't can turn it off and not see it (not on himself, not on people running around, it is off when turned off). It also means parents could turn it off with parental password and kids could play without seeing it.
I know exactly what I want, but I also want everyone else to be able to play how he wants (which is not true in case of people who want anti nude, they want everyone to be restricted how they see fit).
Are you honestly saying you do not comprehend that? How can you comprehend anything else then, if you cant comprehend even this, and are calling me indecisive?
Pointless in your own personal opinion, not necessarily in other players opinion.
Also, me being a part of this discussion doesn't prevent me to also be a part of other discussions as well.
Oh man, here I bite again...... No really, I'm done now. This simply doesn't work.
You initially wanted others opinions ... but then you were displeased on the outcome ... " Selfish " ?
Maybe you should re-educate yourself on what the Phrase, ... " Collaboration of Ideals " mean.
Because you're just being narrow-minded due to how the Results wasn't in your favor ~.~
Rather than being bitter about it ... why not re-evaluate the " Pros & Cons " and rationalize this ?
@T-Elf
Guess you called it ????
Ok, you are just plain ... ok I will not say it... Suits me right to even get in a "discussion" with you.
Oh well... I'll be smarter next time.
@Shunex nothing good will come out of this one anymore.
@DeathsProxy