Diverse Character Creation - The Quest for Representation, Diversification and Boobs

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i'd still like to know if we can get devs opinion on this, thread has lots of great ideas.

InquisitorHeldricht said:

I want to be able to give my MALE character a...ahem...big, fat, thicccc, juicy butt WITH jiggle effect. I want that butt to be allll over my screen. Where's my equality!

i guess hes right 

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daedal said:

i'd still like to know if we can get devs opinion on this, thread has lots of great ideas.

InquisitorHeldricht said:

I want to be able to give my MALE character a...ahem...big, fat, thicccc, juicy butt WITH jiggle effect. I want that butt to be allll over my screen. Where's my equality!

i guess hes right 

If you want a better chance at getting answers from a dev you should put a question up when the thread is started for the next stream. Best shot to get an answer. Obviously the forums are great to pass the time and theory craft...but I would not expect a dev to answer you here. 

Discord is another spot they pop on from time to time. Don’t get me wrong it is not impossible just not as likely to have them answer here. 

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I wouldn't mind seeing a fat character like Volstagg in the game. Having fat people in the game would be cool.

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As long as male characters are given equal attention in character creation. ESO doesnt have the best Chargen, but at least male AND female characters get a "posterior" slider, and both get "chest" sliders. For women its bust, but for men its pec size, which I support fully.

Detailed chargen is something that will make or break my interest in a game. If it is weak or limited, it will be a lot more challenging for me to connect with my character.

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I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

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Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.

So enjoying massive tits is also sexist now? Damn

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Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

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YuccaPalm said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.

So enjoying massive tits is also sexist now? Damn

Damn, just found out I'm sexist today then haha. 

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Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

It's not about over sexualization. Sure I can make a bodaciously buxom babe, but this same system would also allow you to make someone extremely buff, old, fat, ugly and gorgeous. You have people who legitimately look like they're an anime character because they're so gorgeous. It's like movies, no one isn't totally depicted as ugly in movies, how many beautiful people play average ass people. With character creation you get to make the absolute exaggerated perfection of a human being. That's the point. All the characters in this world are legendary heroes, they're all the main characters. All the main characters are beautiful representations of a normal person. 

I, nor anyone should be limited because I want my character to go from a C cup to a D cup. If we want someone to be curvy, then by god they should be curvacious!

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Implementing those options without restrictions would lead a lot of people choosing sexualization and some even trolling.

In my eyes the options are restricting possibilities in char creation or armors that cover ur character.

Without one of these options, this game would look just like an another trashy asian mmo where pervs are stroking themselves while gazing their chars.

A good game doesnt need strategies like that to succeed nor is it a sign of a good game in any way. Asians chose the path to get in the players who lust their character and buy costumes for them.
 Their marketting strategies are most always revolving around activities that cloud ur judgement, gambling and lust being good examples.


We shouldnt succumb to their ways born of greed but look towards common decency in our own actions.

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Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

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Whereas diversity in games is definitely awesome, I think we need to keep a sense of realism if the devs are going for a more realistic approach to the game. We are warriors, heroes after all, so it would only make sense that we'd realistically be able to have our characters perform the acts that they are in fact doing ingame.

Sure you can have big boobs and a rather large butt. Options in terms of character creation is nice, but Imo it would be nice to at least have a sense of realism to the characters that we create. It being a fantasy game of course, so realism being rather relative

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<sarcasm>
There should be no limit on the sliders. People should be able to create characters that are 48% boobs, 48% bum, 1% legs, 1% arms, 1% body and 1% head.
</sarcasm>

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Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

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BraneGames said:

Whereas diversity in games is definitely awesome, I think we need to keep a sense of realism if the devs are going for a more realistic approach to the game. We are warriors, heroes after all, so it would only make sense that we'd realistically be able to have our characters perform the acts that they are in fact doing ingame.

Sure you can have big boobs and a rather large butt. Options in terms of character creation is nice, but Imo it would be nice to at least have a sense of realism to the characters that we create. It being a fantasy game of course, so realism being rather relative

If you were going for complete realism everyone would look like no name jobbers. You don't want characters to look basic, you want them to look unique and exaggerated. Take BDO, all those characters have inflated personas but they're still in the realm of realism. Same for most games. Your not going to have characters walking around with a butt or boobs bigger than the character haha. 

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akmaa said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

Players like this poster should be banned on sight. They going to destroy the games on the long run with their autistic stretching...

Players who want to run about with massive tits and assess, looking like fools, need to get their silly assess on a shitty Asian MMO.
They can look at pixel tits all day.

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daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

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Grimseethe said:

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

There will always be trolls in terms of behavior and look in a mmo . Sure that hurts immersion a bit but it is a price im willing to pay for the benefits a mmo brings .

And if people are not able to create something like @McKnightrider said im fine with that . Let em play funny chars lets not bitch about such little things .

I for example have a full tank in teso that is not much bigger then a chair and the same in weight . Its just funny to see him tank bosses big like houses and getting healed from a woman wich is the double in size xD 

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The problem I have with scope limits is it limits scope

In English...

You have two players, then a 34a and a 36c will probably suffice and enable two people to look different.

If you then added 32a through 40ff then the chances of two players or indeed many players picking exactly the same choice would be less.

Now imagine 10,000+ players on your server.

The only way to guarantee players can have a unique identity or appearance is to have 1000s of choices with a wide scope of possibilities.

So thats the choice. Do you want everyone to look pretty much the same with narrow scope and limited choices of them......or do you want to enable people to look different ?

Then there is range as stated above. The finer features of the face are pointless unless you are literally standing face to face with someone or admiring yourself. At distance the physical silhoutte becomes more and more important. As do mannerisms...a weird walking gait, habit animations.

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Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

are you saying big boobs dont look realistic or respectable?
if you think big TnA dont look realistic you must not get out very often. 

like i said in the topic, civil and respectful discussion, if you want to be toxic you can do it somewhere else. 

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daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

are you saying big boobs dont look realistic or respectable?
if you think big TnA dont look realistic you must not get out very often. 

like i said in the topic, civil and respectful discussion, if you want to be toxic you can do it somewhere else. 

Yes huge tits and massive arses are unrealistic.
If sharing your opinion and insulting no one in the process is being toxic then sorry I'm toxic AF.

ArchivedUser

Grimseethe said:

akmaa said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

Players like this poster should be banned on sight. They going to destroy the games on the long run with their autistic stretching...

Players who want to run about with massive tits and assess, looking like fools, need to get their silly assess on a shitty Asian MMO.
They can look at pixel tits all day.

have you seen the world we live in? I mean there are fake fools everywhere so why not in game ^^

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                              irl boobs^                                              boobs that boys make in games^

If the game max size is capped at a lower value than irl, the game distribution will look loads more like irl as it'll be shifted left. eg the range of the symmetric distribution is 1 - 10 and the skewed distribution is capped at 7.5

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Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

are you saying big boobs dont look realistic or respectable?
if you think big TnA dont look realistic you must not get out very often. 

like i said in the topic, civil and respectful discussion, if you want to be toxic you can do it somewhere else. 

Yes huge tits and massive arses are unrealistic.
If sharing your opinion and insulting no one in the process is being toxic then sorry I'm toxic AF.

tfw things that exist in real life are unrealistic 

"i dont want kids running around like fools" "I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits." "I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me" "fools, need to get their silly assess on a shitty Asian MMO."
seems pretty toxic to me

Seaber said:

                              irl boobs^                                              boobs that boys make in games^

If the game max size is capped at a lower value than irl, the game distribution will look loads more like irl as it'll be shifted left. eg the range of the symmetric distribution is 1 - 10 and the skewed distribution is capped at 7.5

i dont think the purpose of creating a character is to go along with medians

ArchivedUser

Don't forget armor clipping because the devs did not make the armor scale to all possable body sizes as what have happened in other games.

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NaloWahine said:

Don't forget armor clipping because the devs did not make the armor scale to all possable body sizes as what have happened in other games.

When the devs animate the jiggle physics separately and the armor is actually clothing on top instead of a skin AND forget to compensate for the larger scales . . . OH YEA

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NaloWahine said:

Don't forget armor clipping because the devs did not make the armor scale to all possable body sizes as what have happened in other games.

that seems like something easily avoidable
plate armor? just reduce the size since thats realistically what would happen anyway.
cloth armor? keep it the same. 

ArchivedUser

We've been looking at our problem all wrong! Clearly this is a suitable compromise! 

ArchivedUser

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

are you saying big boobs dont look realistic or respectable?
if you think big TnA dont look realistic you must not get out very often. 

like i said in the topic, civil and respectful discussion, if you want to be toxic you can do it somewhere else. 

Yes huge tits and massive arses are unrealistic.
If sharing your opinion and insulting no one in the process is being toxic then sorry I'm toxic AF.

Why are you body-shaming women with large proportions?

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Atama said:

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

daedal said:

Grimseethe said:

Sora_NGNL said:

Grimseethe said:

I hope the devs don't disgrace themselves by allowing silly boys to give female characters massive arse and tits.
It's sexist.
Character creation should be mmo standard, you wear armour 24/7 so what your character looks like, who could care.

 Sexism for me means disparage the other gender or to reduce it just to its sexual parts . Both things i would condemn hard . 

But i rly dont get how people see somethig like i explained in everything that has to do with eroticism . Or is a big butt a unrealistic role model or something like that . Jesus christ why not let people let their characters look like they want . 

Im not for oversexualization like in some asian games . Thats not what such a game is made for . But the opposite extreme is just as dumb . exile everything that could attract someone cause some prudish christsians or wannabe pc's could get triggred . 

To the overall topic . The more creation possibilitys the better . Like others said before with a bad character editor the immersion suffers alot and that before the game even starts . 

I don't want kids running about with massive tits and asses ruining the game for me, by acting like fools.

you do realize that anybody in the game can act like a fool right?

Its hard to visually troll if you look realistic and respectable.

are you saying big boobs dont look realistic or respectable?
if you think big TnA dont look realistic you must not get out very often. 

like i said in the topic, civil and respectful discussion, if you want to be toxic you can do it somewhere else. 

Yes huge tits and massive arses are unrealistic.
If sharing your opinion and insulting no one in the process is being toxic then sorry I'm toxic AF.

Why are you body-shaming women with large proportions?

Hmm I'm not... Being born with huge tits irl isn't the same as a 12 year old sheeple, asshat discovering porn for the first time and putting huge tits on everything.