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akmaa said:  

If you feel this way, you have the opportunity, to take that few hundred players who think like you, and do your rp in some golshire 2.0, but rp server aren't a ghost town for no reason even in the most popular mmo in the world... designing the whole game for only a very small minority isn't the most wisest thing to do.

I did not say anything about roleplaying.  I am talking about immersion and you can look at any number of games where the developers want to make a buck put garbage out that simply do not fit the lore and feel of the game.

I want to empower player characters and foster interactions between the members of the playerbase not some faceless cash shop. 

This for me is the entitlement mentality that has made it into games; I shouldn't have to earn gear to look good I just want to buy it so I can look special.  Those are the real goldshire types.

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Augentier said:

Actually @Azathoth sentence makes perfect sense. IS stated that there will be at least as many cosmetics in game as in the cash shop. So you don´t have to use the cash shop to get cosmetics. There will be just different cosmetics. And additionally he is right: if you don´t have cash don´t use the cashshop.

So? This implies what? nothing... you assume that quality == quantity, which is ****.

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Yeah Steven can decide that. In a LiveStream they already said that they will have tools to monitor the market. It´s pretty obvious if someone trades large amounts of gold with another player and wants nothing in return. 

So does wow have, and you can see the results. Also the last parts pretty much confirms that you don't even have idea, how those things are done.

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Any cash shop item should be player bound and unable to be traded or put into the market place look at Black Desert they had a great economy prior to them opening up the cash shop to allow trading in the market place what happened credit card warriors bought a ton of cash shop stuff sold them on the market and completely inflated everything in the market place thus destroying the entire economy and making anything worth a crap un affordable unless you spent real money. 

1, Your comment makes nonsense and again the basic laws of economy.

2, Not that was the one which caused inflation, but the endless free money flowing into the economy.

For those who don't know, in bdo, you get money and stuff just for login. Heck, you get money periodical, even if you don't log in.

This amount of effortless free money continuously destroy the value of the money, as the basic rules of economy says.

Also there are countless low effort options which gives shitloads of money just by being afk.

Not even mentioning monster hunting which results in hundreds of millions worth of payouts...

LMAO, just for being afk, one of the current events throw 10million silver to you every day, with a 100million extra after the 10th day...

Meanwhile you get 70m silver from selling a costume in market... Just for comparison, I made 1,5billion worth of value, just by questing/event rewards in a month. And this is not even grinding...

Actually selling items in market in bdo is the worst you can do, as - thanks to the terribly designed market - they can only be sold in way bellow their real value.

Where's the p2w then? You can melt them for even more value... not to mention convince stuff like artisan memory...

LMAO, how p2w when you can sell a 30$ worth costume for 70million. A TET weapon costs around ~1.5billion, sure ppls going to sell costumes on market, to cover it XD

hint: from sellers you can buy 1billion for 30$ seems legit to sell 30$ for 70million instead

But yeah, the fact that you harass marketplace cash item selling as the reason of inflation already proved your lack of knowledge. You know, if you buy from other players, you put exactly 0 extra money into the game, so you can't make inflation either _BASIC_ economy knowledge...

Heck, in bdo every market transaction destroy 30% of the money which LOWERS the amount of money in the game, which making ANY kind of market transaction helping the exact opposite of the inflation...

Selling cash shop items to other players in theory can make a game p2w.

But in reality, it costs so much money, that you better just finda gold seller or buy a account instead.

LMAO, let's say you can buy a pen item for 5billion in average (there are ones costing much more, costing less, but they aren't even on market anyway...)

So, by selling 30$ costumes for 70million (The sell price is 110milion, but there are 35% cut)

13 * 5000 / 70 * 30 = 27857 so you need to pay "just" 28000$ to get one full character by your so called p2w marketplace costume selling. Seems legit for me.

(Ofc you can get discounts, and it's just a highly unreliable prediction, but noone will do it anyway, as there are cheaper methods.)

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akmaa said:

Augentier said:

Actually @Azathoth sentence makes perfect sense. IS stated that there will be at least as many cosmetics in game as in the cash shop. So you don´t have to use the cash shop to get cosmetics. There will be just different cosmetics. And additionally he is right: if you don´t have cash don´t use the cashshop.

So? This implies what? nothing... you assume that quality == quantity, which is ****.

I haven´t assumed anything.
If you wan´t cosmetics: There are cosmetics in the game.
If you like the cosmetics in the cashshop more: Use cash to buy them. Or Don´t. 

akmaa said:

Augentier said:

Yeah Steven can decide that. In a LiveStream they already said that they will have tools to monitor the market. It´s pretty obvious if someone trades large amounts of gold with another player and wants nothing in return. 

So does wow have, and you can see the results. Also the last parts pretty much confirms that you don't even have idea, how those things are done.

You are comparing a game (WoW) which has some systems from 15 years ago with a new game. I´m pretty sure the possibilities have improved to monitor the economy.
And even in WoW there where a lot of people banned for things like this. So i don´t understand what you wan´t to prove with this.

About the rest of what you wrote:
Selling cash shop items to other players is potentially p2w. No pay2win in AoC.
Just because there is so much inflation in the BDO economy and selling cash shop items there is not viable doesn´t mean that it woudn´t be viable in AoC.

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@akmaa
You have gone full troll, because someone doesn't agree with your minority opinion you indicate they have a mental disorder. You must be very proud of yourself.

akmaa said:
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So? This implies what? nothing... you assume that quality == quantity, which is ****.

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I am sorry you feel like you need to have a P2W option, we don't.
Sure, you can go on proclaiming that's not the point... but we know it is

I am glad BDO constantly gives you something for nothing, some people need trophies just because they competed, I would like Ashes to not cater to that minority.

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Its surprising how many of these posts could be cleared up if they did their research on the game before making statements. 

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@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

Yes let’s celebrate lazy willful ignorance.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

I mean there are many people who have lives outside of ashes (I'm one of them) who spend the time to look up information. its not a matter of time but a matter of effort  

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I think it's fine as long as it's prefaced by saying "Correct me if I'm wrong" or "I'm not completely read up on this" or "if someone could direct me to the information/provide a link". It's ok to not be informed, and yeah there are people who will invest more time into reading than others. If you want information fed down your throat though, that's annoying, but if you show willingness to read yourself and utilize the community to parse out the info and remove the searching for you then that's fine imo. People are good about posting links, just ask and preface your statement so future readers are not confused by your misinformed opinions as well.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

It's also quite easy to search up any information especially on the wiki, probably faster than making a new thread to find something out.

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AutumnLeaf said:

W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

It's also quite easy to search up any information especially on the wiki, probably faster than making a new thread to find something out.

Mortals these days. what are you going to do ^^

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nagash said:

AutumnLeaf said:

W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

It's also quite easy to search up any information especially on the wiki, probably faster than making a new thread to find something out.

Mortals these days. what are you going to do ^^

Well...  Just remember what “mortal” means...

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nagash said:

AutumnLeaf said:

W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It's amazing how many people have jobs and utilize the social network for a speedy response in which doesn't require focused effort.

It's also quite easy to search up any information especially on the wiki, probably faster than making a new thread to find something out.

Mortals these days. what are you going to do ^^

I kill them, you resurrect them as undead, this way we both get what we want 'w'

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@AutumnLeaf  @nagash I take this game just as serious as you, although my preferences/prerogative might vary, at circumstances as well; so I think that critical judgment should be used a little more conservatively, rather then being quick to pick a fight.  If I wish to hear a variety of view points behind legitimate reasons of someone’s opinion (perhaps it’s for the use of an unsaid reason) then I think that is within the boundaries of this forum(s), and reasonable at worst.  So while it’s easy to make a witty a comment at someone else expense to elevate your ego I think that’s immature, and we as an early community to AoC should strive to raise the standard (of maturity)

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W3Ar3Titans said:
So while it’s easy to make a witty a comment at someone else expense to elevate your ego I think that’s immature, and we as an early community to AoC should strive to raise the standard (of maturity)

You lost the ability to complain about immaturity the moment you accused everyone of being jobless and having no lives because they took the time to look something up.  Frankly that’s pathetic.

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@atama Agreed, had that actually been the case of the statement, rather obviously an exaggerated response to a tacky comment in context to emphasize a particular point.  So no, I think the context was pretty clear: for some of us it’s simply more convenient to obtain different perspectives from a community in a straight forward manner (ie fourms) rather then sitting through the google search engine.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@atama Agreed, had that actually been the case of the statement, rather obviously an exaggerated response to a tacky comment in context to emphasize a particular point.  So no, I think the context was pretty clear: for some of us it’s simply more convenient to obtain different perspectives from a community in a straight forward manner (ie fourms) rather then sitting through the google search engine.

It’s still extremely immature, that’s what a childish insult is by definition; an exaggerated response.  My point is that you have no integrity in calling others out for immaturity when not acknowledging your own.

I always prefer reasoned discussions where people can have different opinions without needing to prove their opinion “correct”.  But you’re not going to get one acting this way.

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@Atama I recognize your interpretation of what was said, and I realize how some would find it offensive.  I apologize if that’s how you felt towards it.  That form of emphasis was simply a hyperbole.  Of course I realize that we all have lives, I’m just emphasizing (again it’s called a hyperbole and it is used in major debates professionally as well as in numerous forms of literature it has nothing to do with maturity outside the realm of context) that other people may have a specific intention in the reasoning behind a forum post other then the fact of the matter, simply it could just be to hear people’s perspectives.  

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Anyways man, thank you for your input, I don’t view you as an adversary 😜 or dislike you.  I understand your initial dismay towards my response, but I assure you they’re misread nonetheless.  Agree to disagree my friend?

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I'm always good with people not trying to be hostile.  No worries at all.

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I hope all cosmetics become available in the cash shop, and years from now when they add new stuff, the old stuff gets put in game as rare drops.
I and many others can't buy they the starter pack cosmetics or the ones available now, monthly.
Nothing should be exclusive, otherwise its wasted content.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@AutumnLeaf  @nagash I take this game just as serious as you, although my preferences/prerogative might vary, at circumstances as well; so I think that critical judgment should be used a little more conservatively, rather then being quick to pick a fight.  If I wish to hear a variety of view points behind legitimate reasons of someone’s opinion (perhaps it’s for the use of an unsaid reason) then I think that is within the boundaries of this forum(s), and reasonable at worst.  So while it’s easy to make a witty a comment at someone else expense to elevate your ego I think that’s immature, and we as an early community to AoC should strive to raise the standard (of maturity)

@W3Ar3Titans If you think I was picking a fight, then you have not been here long enough to know the comunity. Imagine now being asked the same question day after day and you tell people the answer for the first few months as we are nice.

 

Now as that carries on you get fed up and point them to the wikis (mind you this is still helping), and yet you still have people asking the same question and when you tell them to look it up them selfs they act shocked. 

So excuse me if we seem annoyed but it been a long year of the same old droning on and I am quite done with it, If you don't like that I would suggest looking elsewhere for the information you need, may I suggest the wiki.

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The items in game, that actually have stats and really matter, should be earned by the players actions in game.

This shows they did something, gave a part of themselves to get where they are in game.
No more bdo rng where newbies can get the best equipment through luck and/or by p2w.
Everything you have in game is really earned, there are no shortcuts.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

As long as the critics do not b**ch 24/7 of how their preferences aren’t being met, let’s try and be understanding of all parties imvolved.

They have said exactly what this game is and it's been spelled out since the beginning, anyone who complains its their own fault. This is a PvX game with a heavy emphasis on PvP and open world combat. If you come in thinking you're going to hide away in a bunch of instances and just PvE until you're nice and fat on equipment then come out and occasionally do PvP it's not gonna go well for them. So those critics will only eat their words.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@AutumnLeaf  @nagash I take this game just as serious as you, although my preferences/prerogative might vary, at circumstances as well; so I think that critical judgment should be used a little more conservatively, rather then being quick to pick a fight.  If I wish to hear a variety of view points behind legitimate reasons of someone’s opinion (perhaps it’s for the use of an unsaid reason) then I think that is within the boundaries of this forum(s), and reasonable at worst.  So while it’s easy to make a witty a comment at someone else expense to elevate your ego I think that’s immature, and we as an early community to AoC should strive to raise the standard (of maturity)

Sooooooooooo... has the definition of picking a fight changed in the last few hours ? don't be a snowflake, like really I'm terribly fond of winter so don't mar it with your visage

For real though the information is all there for everyone to access and it's far faster to look up then make statements on the forums and then get an answer/get corrected.

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@nagash It’s a forum and it’s established for this purpose, for that reason I’m not understanding the “non-positive-unfriendly-negative-swaying aggression” (cause you’re right it’s not “picking a fight” of course); although, what I also don’t understand is how they/you feel obligated to respond/answer, because as far as I know, no member is required to - so if you don’t feel like it don’t do... Boom, you’re problem’s solved.  It’s quite inconsiderate and egotistical of you to blow somthing out of proportion let along the fact there’s really no issue that you seem to be painting, as you make it sound like your life is so difficult as constant flow of new members have questions.  @AutumnLeaf Interesting position and choice of words, but out of context.

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It’s a forum and it’s established for this purpose, for that reason I’m not understanding the “non-positive-unfriendly-negative-swaying aggression” (cause you’re right it’s not “picking a fight” of course); although, what I also don’t understand is how they/you feel obligated to respond/answer, because as far as I know, no member is required to - so if you don’t feel like it don’t do... Boom, you’re problem’s solved.  It’s quite inconsiderate and egotistical of you to blow somthing out of proportion let along the fact there’s really no issue that you seem to be painting, as you make it sound like your life is so difficult as constant flow of new members have questions.  @AutumnLeaf Interesting position and choice of words, but out of context.

You need to chill out man, you are trying to make a big deal out of something... well insignificant when you were saying how we need to raise the standard of maturity in the community. (which is a pretty weird statement anyway as the community is plenty mature and friendly to have some fun)

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W3Ar3Titans said:

@nagash It’s a forum and it’s established for this purpose, for that reason I’m not understanding the “non-positive-unfriendly-negative-swaying aggression” (cause you’re right it’s not “picking a fight” of course); although, what I also don’t understand is how they/you feel obligated to respond/answer, because as far as I know, no member is required to - so if you don’t feel like it don’t do... Boom, you’re problem’s solved.  It’s quite inconsiderate and egotistical of you to blow somthing out of proportion let along the fact there’s really no issue that you seem to be painting, as you make it sound like your life is so difficult as constant flow of new members have questions.  @AutumnLeaf Interesting position and choice of words, but out of context.

Ok then let me explain this as calmly as I can as you may have misunderstood me

I have always tried to help people as much as I can and while I may not always know everything (unlike USE) I point them to people who can. Every day I welcome people to the forums and im happy to help in anyway I can as I love this comunity, but when people ask the same question over and over again for threads we already have I sudgest using the wikis or asking them to post on thoese threads. The only pet hate I have is people wanting ashes to be what THEY want as they dont care about the game.

I'm not egotistical in the slightest and if you knew me you would get that. I really think this is about you missunderstanding my post about researching the game which you overreacked

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Sigh, everything was fine until the fire nation attacked. Now everyone argues DAMN YOU FIRE LORD OZAI!

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NeuroGuy said:

Sigh, everything was fine until the fire nation attacked. Now everyone argues DAMN YOU FIRE LORD OZAI!

When the world needed the @UnknownSystemError he vanished