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Dungeon finder, Raid finder and Group finder
mytherios
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as the title suggests the discussion is about the different kinds of (finders) we find in games, will AoC have them if yes will they be on all kind of content (raids, dungeons,...etc), what all of you think about it, do you want the game to have this kind of accessibility or not? and in which kind of content do you want them?
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But things like dungeon finder and raid finder, should really not be implemented, it takes out most of the social interactions in the group. A good example would be wow; no one explaines anything, new people are so afraid to ask that i have to tell them to whisper me so i can then explaine it to them. You could also just spam the dungon queue to fast track to higher levels... (Honestly, i once leveled my paladin tank from lvl 15 to 110 without doing any zones...)
What she said and AOC have confirmed they won't be in the game cause of this reason. But further to the point it takes the exploration aspect out of the game. Lastly group finders is the reason why the community aspect of mmo's are dead cause nobody talks they run and kill everything the end these are my thoughts
100% fine with that
They want to bring back the social aspect of MMO.
Like Damokles I leveled a priest in wow as a healer once I could hit the que I was in a dungeon or back in the que never left Orgrimar.
No group finders is the way to go. Look at game that have LFG and cross server groups. Nobody talks unless it is trolling. No sense of community and no backlash for poor behavior.
Build a bad reputation with lfg who cares never see them again. With out it will be really hard to find a group if you act the fool.
My only experience is trying out BDO right now.
BUT BUT BUT! I think not having a raid finder is good, it makes it WAY to easy to just que for once and makes it feel a LOT less special. I mean I haven't played to feel, but from the outside it seems like so much less work and time to just jump into a que instead of getting a group together and travelling out to a location to raid. It makes it a lot more special, even just the journey there. Although it'll obviously get boring but I think only certain things should have ques. Maybe low tier dungeons or something? Maybe not even that I dunno.
LFG/LFR tools have killed much of the social aspect of MMO's and am pretty sure Steven wants to see that return to his game this is going to come as a real shock to some. Be social join a guild enjoy that group content with people you get along with, my best memories of the past 20 years of MMO play are all group content with guildmates shooting the sh!t and having a laugh. Do you know where some of my worst MMO memories come from? meeting some true idiots through LFG tools thus why I no longer use them.
agreed
Yup. Whole point of an MMO is finding other people to play it with.
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Otherwise, you really want to find players yourself that know how to handle a particularly difficult dungeon or new content. Because people tend to get lazy and don't want to talk and they don't like it when they get Judged by others. I mean what throws people off are questions like what's your DPS? What's your gear level? Do you know the boss fights? OR, I'm only running for 1 loot drop and im out! Or were in it for an achievement and on and on and on.
These are not like socializing questions anyways, there are elitist questions where you have to belong in a certain mind set. Now the way I would approach a situation say if I was a guild master I would set up dates to run dungeons or raids and take as many people as possible just to have a feel of what to expect until I see the performance of others. And if there are recommendations for a particular player I would tell them what to improve but I will not outright kick them from my group. But I would take note on who participated and who didn't so that I can give a chance to everyone to experience new content. IT should be a learning experience but also not to be wiping for the 50th time and nothing is getting through.
Rather, we should be able to handle new threats more easily because we are familiar with how the other players we typically adventure with like to play their class/character.
Replayability of old content is not intended to be common in Ashes.
People get lazy and don't speak specifically due to replaying old, static content.
No reason to talk if you already know the content.
Also, since dungeons and raids are primarily open world, there should not be a lot scheduled raids which allow for improved performance based on cookie-cutter rotations for a raid group.
Which should meant that people will need to talk in order to devise new strategies for the new content - rather than attacking by rote.
People will be living in villages, towns,cities and metros that they will want to defend. Rather than moving on to a new location as they level.
We will know where their homes are because they can be open world rather than instanced - so finding our friends will be closer to finding NPCs in traditional MMORPGs.
Threats are dynamic rather than static - and will frequently be a threat to the region; not just a static threat waiting around forever for a new group to arrive. And, it will be fairly common for the monsters to come attack our homes.
So, it won't just be an individual hoping to find other people who are in the mood to farm a static dungeon or raid. Rather, it will be a bunch of people who need to end a threat to the region, or defend the node from attack.
We will know the other players in our node who play at the same times we do. We will know where they live and/or like to hang out. We will know what activities they enjoy and how they like to play.
Finding the same people who like to do what we do when we want to do should be much easier in Ashes than in previous MMORPGs.
Doesn't each node level increase the difficulty of the area? A village is fine until you're trying to hit max level on lv 10 boars, if so. Also while the world may be big, but I don't think each node will have enough content to keep players that engaged to not go elsewhere. ZOIs however I feel would be more accommodating. Rather then being secluded to their home node, I'd imaging more players would be keeping to their shared piece of the world.
Well we will have transmogs!
They designed the ingame economy so that things like repairs, transmogs, etc will be money sinks in the game, to control the eventual inflation of ingame currency.
What's not fine is cross server instancing and some game design decisions.
That random people don't talk with each other has nothing to do with being instantly teleported to a dungeon, that's ridiculous it's just a travel time saver, cause there is always that one person sitting on his ass forever while the other 5 are waiting and waiting and waiting.
The actual problem is just the way the game is set up itself. Quickly in, quickly out and you have deadlybossmods, just listen to that. Yes wow example.
Most leveling experiences in currently running mmos are trivial, even tho it's "for your level" it's so trivial that you rofelcopter through it with your +20 gear anyway. Stoping to explain anything would take more time then to do this meaningless expboost with just 4 people.
On top of that cross server played it's part awfully well in this too. You will never see those people ever again, you will never build even the remotest form of community with them, ever. Why bother explaining something that is irrelevant in two levels?
@cyanideinsanity No it doesn't increase it per say, it will change and shuffle the diffculty around. Big difference. Easy example, untouched forest might house bears, wolfs and regular wildlife. What happens when you build a city there and replace the woods with farms? wolfs and bears will retreat farther off while rabbits and other things might stay in those fields now. Doesn't cover all that happens, but there have been extensive posts, streams, videos about it.
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I don't think I said anything about being secluded to one are or never traveling elsewhere.
The difference is that people will be returning to their homes, rather than constantly dispersing to make new locations their home.
And we will have similar goals as the rest of the citizens of our nodes and regions in terms of defense and node progression. Also, we will have similar goals when it comes to social and religious progression - since we will be getting quests and tasks and services from the buildings we build in our home nodes.
In the early days of the server, the villages will progress to the town stage and then to the city stage.
The mob tables will progress accordingly, so, while we're trying to reach max level, we won't have to leave our home node when the village becomes a town because there will now be level 20 mobs for us to hunt.
We won't be stuck just hunting level 10 mobs.
For those who start playing months later - after villages and towns are mostly locked by well-established cities and metros - newbies might travel from their village to an adjacent town when they're ready to hunt more challenging content, but they will still be returning to their homes and freeholds in the village afterwards - for quite some time. And they will know where to find the homes and freeholds of other citizens in the village and where to find the homes and freeholds of other citizens in the towns and cities.
At some point, an individual might want to move their home from a village to a town or a city - but their friends will be told where the new home is. And that individual will, again, be staying in that home for quite a while.
There will be quests and tasks from the node, and social organizations within the node that send players to exotic locales, but those probably won't solo-only quests and tasks. Even the solo quests will likely send the individual on the same path as caravans.
So finding people to adventure with shouldn't be as much of a challenge in Ashes as finding someone who wants to replay the same dungeon or raid when you do.
and for good reason.
Indeed
I'm all for that. Post in it that you're looking for a group and then do your shopping at merchant stands nearby.
Keep a lookout for people asking for groups in public chat while they are near that board also shopping and BAM! Group finder with a more social aspect.
You know a physical location to frequent where people are always visiting to find a group.