How many MMO fanatics, like myself are disgusted at this 'alpha' drive?!

Sorry, as a LONG time MMO player (since AC1 in 98?!), I've played more than 40 MMO's through the years. I've been following this because of Steve alone. He's essentially me, I feel. We have a common game history and outlook on what we want in an MMO. But this Arena crap is horrid. The Idea that I have to struggle through this to validate my belief in the REAL game is just a horrible idea that's going to turn SO many players like myself. If this is what I have to do to get 'rewards'. No thank you. I'm now honestly on the fence about this game. A game I've been preaching to my friends about. C'mon guys, You cant make us go through this horrid experience to show our support.

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BlackBrony

I just don't get it. People spamming negative reviews demanding a BR, others saying IS is forcing you to play the game, wut?
Then demanding a release date. Why do you want a release date? Please tell me. Do you want it so you can later complain when they don't meet it?
The BR was able to find a MAJOR issue in their Server Infrastructure. There are so many things this BR is doing that are good for the game, yet all you do complain.

And if you're complaining about PvP, well, you should keep in mind that this game WILL HAVE OPEN WORLD PVP, and
YOU
WILL
GET
GANKED while doing your PvE stuff.

Karthos

terrorform wrote: »

Not a new account, just finally fed up with the Arena start. First, I DO understand the importance of back end and combat testing. But the point that I'm trying to make, MMO players, in general, ARE NOT battle royal players. The system now does not give you but 2 mins to figure out the keys... after 10 mins of waiting, to be ported into a map, try to find a weapon, and get murdered by Battle Royal type players. Anyone I have brought to this game says the same thing. It's not just me. I have a good group of players that I've been playing with for 20 years. They all say the same thing and its why I brought it up. I'll bypass Apoc until they allow us to play some of the real game. I think they could have worked out combat differently, other than making an entirely different genre game. I know this because, I've played more alpha/beta tests than I care to repeat. None of them introduced their game by being something it's not. That's simply a mistake.

uhhhh, not a new account?

you literally posted this the same day it was made

Nagash

Karthos wrote: »

terrorform wrote: »

Not a new account, just finally fed up with the Arena start. First, I DO understand the importance of back end and combat testing. But the point that I'm trying to make, MMO players, in general, ARE NOT battle royal players. The system now does not give you but 2 mins to figure out the keys... after 10 mins of waiting, to be ported into a map, try to find a weapon, and get murdered by Battle Royal type players. Anyone I have brought to this game says the same thing. It's not just me. I have a good group of players that I've been playing with for 20 years. They all say the same thing and its why I brought it up. I'll bypass Apoc until they allow us to play some of the real game. I think they could have worked out combat differently, other than making an entirely different genre game. I know this because, I've played more alpha/beta tests than I care to repeat. None of them introduced their game by being something it's not. That's simply a mistake.

uhhhh, not a new account?

you literally posted this the same day it was made

Silly people dont know we can check all their info

Ferryman

Nagash wrote: »

reminds me of the corruption thread

Oh yeah, those were nice conversations, like bottomless swamp.. Which actually reminds me, I think PKing should be less penalizing and people should drop gear for loot.

Nagash

ferryman wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

reminds me of the corruption thread

Oh yeah, those were nice conversations, like bottomless swamp.. Which actually reminds me, I think PKing should be less penalizing and people should drop gear for loot.

Get out and stay out

Selo

Reading some of the responses it validates some of my worries.
To many "players" that like BR, which are not the same as the majority of players that are here for the mmorpg, will have way to much influence on the mmorpg.

Right now most of the mmorpg supporters are in hibernation and doesnt play the BR.
And thats not good for the mmorpg.

Caeryl

Selo wrote: »

Reading some of the responses it validates some of my worries.
To many "players" that like BR, which are not the same as the majority of players that are here for the mmorpg, will have way to much influence on the mmorpg.

Right now most of the mmorpg supporters are in hibernation and doesnt play the BR.
And thats not good for the mmorpg.

Why the quotes around players? They’re certainly doing more for the MMO than you are just complaining about how god forbid you’ll have to use an ability that doesn’t let you auto hit whatever you click on.

Players want a game that’s responsive to their input, isn’t dull as a turn based game, and rewards player skill more than simple memorization.

The hybrid system will hopefully allow for skillful play while also letting those seeking a simpler form of gameplay have it at the cost of pure power, as it should be.

Azathoth

I like turn based games and think they are challenging, just in a different way than action combat. I am saying this mostly because not all turned based games are dull, and there are some action combat games that are dull.

Indicating action combat and tab target combat is different because one is skill based and one is relaxed also doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If they will both be used in a hybrid setting, and two players attack each other, wouldn't the more skilled player always win? I am not sure if action combat players will win hands down all the time over tab target focused players. If that is true, then that would be action combat players aren't always more skilled than tab target players.

Sure, one could theoretically play a more relaxed less skill tab target oriented character. There are also players that will attempt to button mash and bounce randomly around the field without any skill with action combat oriented characters. So, to me, if you were going to use one extreme in the comparison it would be most fair to use the other.

As opposed to saying Action combat players are just button mashers. <- Which I don't believe is true... most of the time at least.

bakes82

I just paid to get 50, thats what they want from you.

Magic Man

@Caeryl Pls be patient with him..he has tab target addiction and likes to shit on people for enjoying action combat.

Damokles

bakes82 wrote: »

I just paid to get 50, thats what they want from you.

They dont want anything from you except playing apoc to find bugs... those embers are on you bro. XD

Terrorform

Hey all, I just got back from a weekend away. So Im just now reading the responses. First off... My account with the game was not new... However, I hadnt been posting on the forums until this post. So if you want to see me as new, ok... But Ive been playing and following the game for quite some time. I just didnt feel the need to start a discussion till this post.
As far as getting GANKED, I played WAR (an all pvp game), I played SWG, all pvp all the time. I played Rift on an all pvp server. Aion, Lineage 2, DAOC, omg so many. I'm currently playing ESO and pvping even with their horrendous pvp system. I'm not scared of pvp. Please come and try to gank me.
The point I was shooting towards was... Having this being newer peoples first experience with the game, nearly everyone has come back to me and said, "So its an arena game?!" Then I have to explain to them that this is just a testing phase and I get that. I want this game to be mine and my friends 'next' MMO for a LONG time. I think what they are doing is only causing confusion. Im not attacking them, Im expressing that people are seeing this and saying WTF?!
Why are so many people so quick to rag on a legitimate issue. Its Legit because Ive been the guy pushing people to follow the game. Then Im also the guy having to explain that this is NOT the game... And the arena stuff is just Brutal to anyone who loves MMO's for the MMO part.

Terrorform

Selo wrote: »

Reading some of the responses it validates some of my worries.
To many "players" that like BR, which are not the same as the majority of players that are here for the mmorpg, will have way to much influence on the mmorpg.

Right now most of the mmorpg supporters are in hibernation and doesnt play the BR.
And thats not good for the mmorpg.

This point EXACTLY! Cheers!

Terrorform

As far as the Action combat, thats what I love... So dont think Im against action combat at all, In fact... please delete the tab key. Ty.

Terrorform

Azathoth wrote: »

Wow. Is it me or does anyone else in this thread feel the irony from some of the posterz (not OP).

Also. I was not a fan of having to read through your resume or comparing yourself to Steven, it did very little for me.

I wasnt 'comparing myself to Steve as I think you were suggesting. However, I have played many of the games Steve has looked back upon and discussed. We do have a very similar concept of what our 'Ideal' MMORPG should and could be, something that HAS been lacking in all the theme park wow clones that have cropped up. What worries me is something that Ive seen far too often in other games. PVP players (although I do love me some pvp) usually whine the loudest, and then developers bend to their cries detroying the balance of the rest of the game. I know many of you have seen that in whatever game you might be playing now. If the BR players (its ok if you are one, but this isnt a BR game) end up doing the same to AOC, then that will probably ruin AOC for us. Us being the MMO players, my friends or otherwise).

Caeryl

terrorform wrote: »

Selo wrote: »

Reading some of the responses it validates some of my worries.
To many "players" that like BR, which are not the same as the majority of players that are here for the mmorpg, will have way to much influence on the mmorpg.

Right now most of the mmorpg supporters are in hibernation and doesnt play the BR.
And thats not good for the mmorpg.

This point EXACTLY! Cheers!

terrorform wrote: »

As far as the Action combat, thats what I love... So dont think Im against action combat at all, In fact... please delete the tab key. Ty.

Better not deal with that one then. If you like action combat he thinks you’re a “fake MMO player”

grisu

Didn't I predict it? Even tho he denied it, here he comes whining about pvp gamers. Real mmo gamers only play mmo pve.
Now recruiting for the mmo elitist club, the only ones with real opinions that have a positive impact on the game, everyone else is just ruining the game.

Requirements:
-long history in mmo gaming otherwise you don't know what you are talking about
-in fact ONLY experience in mmos, no other genres otherwise your input is detrimental to the game
- no pvp players, you are whiners and ruin game balance for everyone
- no girls, they don't exist on the interwebs and create drama (girls don't play video games okay? It's a boys thing)
- Have to identify with at least one Dev as spirit animal or similar

Running out of ideas. I think I showed my contempt for this thread enough. Have fun people I'll go and shove my Alpha 0 Key that I earned long before it was a random giveaway into the trash pile, because me liking BR mode makes me unsuitable to play Ashes. I am unworthy and should be ashamed to even think about playing a MMO. Some real mmo gamer should have gotten that key instead.

Afterword: It was either this or pointing out how you contradict yourself, so I chose the funnier one, don't feed the trolls guys. It's bad for your mental health.

Azathoth

I love feeding our new trolls. The make the threads so much more interesting.

Nagash

At this point I have nothing else to do here so I just post.

GrinningJack

We get what we get. Cant change that.

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