WoW killer finally here guys.......

Well first of all have to give credit to Blizzard for doing a finde job of killing itself with all its development decisions if it was not for that game would still be way over ten million subs.

But has it turns out a game has finally come that will pound the last nails on the coffin. RIP

Drumroll PLS......................................

Classic WoW got released and now has server popualtion fo 4.4 million world wide. (just bear with me) So right now people are playing a game with no instant que. A game that has 40 man raids to look forward too which makes for larger guilds. Game were there is actual sense of a community.
Game were dungeoun design like Strathholme and Black Rock Caverns dwarve the current content in almost evey aspect. In short they are simply playing a better vidoe game.

That being the case it is going to be dificult to go back to retail WoW still a good game but worst than WoW classic so players will be taking a step down to play current WoW. Some how Old content is better than New content. Unreal.

Now WoW classic is finite so when most of player base get past Naxxramus then they will be looking to play an MMO with no instant que 40 man raids and good community. Which is were Ashes of Creation could step in if they come out with playable version sooner than latter.

Just to be clear Blizzard is the WoW killer cause there is no way to convince them to get rid of instant que or put 40 man raids back in game. As far they are concerned they are the experts and have the billions to prove it. Think it got to big to care.

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Spreadicus

It seems to be a common trend in many mmos where the game is released and initially everything is good but developers try to reinvent the wheel and end up breaking things that were previously fine. Credit to Wow for at least giving folks the classic version to play.

Developers need to understand that MMOs are a living thing and that sure they need to evolve and grow over time but if it aint broke then don't fix it.

consultant

spreadicus wrote: »

It seems to be a common trend in many mmos where the game is released and initially everything is good but developers try to reinvent the wheel and end up breaking things that were previously fine. Credit to Wow for at least giving folks the classic version to play.

Developers need to understand that MMOs are a living thing and that sure they need to evolve and grow over time but if it aint broke then don't fix it.

Pretty sure WoW knows what there huge mistakes are there are ton of content creators telling them every day were they went wrong but will not fix them.. WoWs consistent and persistent behavior is chasing subsriptions. Actually claim the opposite actions say something else.

WoW is a great game and I really enjoyed it. Personally just had to many disagreements with the devs in that game. That does not take away from all that they have done and well it is still a really good game.

Justed wanted to point out that after playing wow classic a game without all their huge mistakes might be hard for people to go back to retail WoW. Going from strong well knit communities to toxic servers is a day and night expereince. They have implemented anit-toxic mechanism since i stopped playing. Not sure how efffective it is going to be after years of being toxic. There were some servers that were not toxic but toxic servers were the trend when I was playing.

Hope them the best.

Hydrilla

I don't think AoC will appeal to a lot of WoW players, I think progression will take more time and effort than a lot of people are willing to put into a game. I hope that is true.

Nagash

Hydrilla wrote: »

I don't think AoC will appeal to a lot of WoW players, I think progression will take more time and effort than a lot of people are willing to put into a game. I hope that is true.

same here. I always loved long MMOs

Damokles

Nagash wrote: »

Hydrilla wrote: »

I don't think AoC will appeal to a lot of WoW players, I think progression will take more time and effort than a lot of people are willing to put into a game. I hope that is true.

same here. I always loved long MMOs

I think that we will have to differentiate between activision woow players and blizzard wow players here guys. Classic/tBC/WotLK players all played with long progression times after all.

jinxthegamer

WoW Vanilla was great not because of 40 man raids or lack of instant queue but because the game had a lot of RPG systems besides raids which added depth to the game. In MMORPG, most of the playtime is put into character development, experiencing the world of the game and story where raids are only one of the cherries on top of the cake.
Retail WoW was stripped down to the minimum and oversimplified in every possible way to focus on streamlining every process in the game to allow people to gear up their main chars or alts as fast as it is possible to attend the raid. Right now in Retail WoW the only thing which matter is to push yet another raid and move on to the next raid or expansion to generate as much money as they can.

While AoC might give us some depth and meaningfulness it still can fail in many ways especially since Steven likes ArchAge way too much and this bad MMO can influence his decisions too much.

tiltowait

If they can make it work on average PCs. I have by no means a potato, but the battle royale mode was completly unplayable due to low frame rate.

One of the big attractions of WoW when it came out was that it had far lower performance requirements than EQ2, Asheron's Call and Age of Conan, so it could be played by far more people.

Wandering Mist

tiltowait wrote: »

If they can make it work on average PCs. I have by no means a potato, but the battle royale mode was completly unplayable due to low frame rate.

One of the big attractions of WoW when it came out was that it had far lower performance requirements than EQ2, Asheron's Call and Age of Conan, so it could be played by far more people.

It's normal for a early alpha build to run poorly as the developers haven't had time to optimise it properly. One thing to note about WoW is that it is incredibly CPU heavy and not particularly well optimised for higher end PCs. Yes the minimum requirements are quite low compared to other mmorpgs, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

BlackBrony

I tried wow classic. I didn't like it. You had community, true, but unless you were fighting for mobs, or quests, or stuff like that.
Dungeons were a bit fun, except when you have to rest after every single pull, or if you didn't have a mage, you needed 4000 waters.
PvP had no sense, just killing open world.

AoC pvp will make sense, or at least have protection against griefers. New World already changed the pvp system because of feebback, making the game worst.

Nagash

I can see blizzard crashing in the next few years

Noaani

Nagash wrote: »

I can see blizzard crashing in the next few years

So can I.

I can see all the major game studios crashing, to be honest. They need to start to realize that of all their stakeholders, their loyal customers are more important than their shareholders.

My prediction is that in 8 years, the only major game studios still around are the ones that have made this realization.

Wandering Mist

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I can see blizzard crashing in the next few years

So can I.

I can see all the major game studios crashing, to be honest. They need to start to realize that of all their stakeholders, their loyal customers are more important than their shareholders.

My prediction is that in 8 years, the only major game studios still around are the ones that have made this realization.

I doubt it will happen any time soon to be honest. Despite all their fuckups, the AAA games companies still make money on their games, usually from people who are either oblivious or don't care about what is happening in the industry. The various sports games (fifa, NBA Madden, etc) release practically the same game every single year, chocked full of microtransactions and loot box mechanics, and yet they always make a profit.

The majority of consumers don't really care about the company behind the games they play.

Plateau

Noaani

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The majority of consumers don't really care about the company behind the games they play.

It won't be the consumers that bail on those games, it will be the shareholders.

Shareholders don't wait until a company stops making money before they bail, they bail when they think that may happen in the future (such as when your customers openly protest).

Add to that the inevitable outcome of lootboxes (the EU will eventually sue major studios for actual billions, and lootbox mechanics will be removed from all games, lowering profits), and it's fairly easy to see how it *could* happen.

Nagash

noaani wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The majority of consumers don't really care about the company behind the games they play.

It won't be the consumers that bail on those games, it will be the shareholders.

Shareholders don't wait until a company stops making money before they bail, they bail when they think that may happen in the future (such as when your customers openly protest).

Add to that the inevitable outcome of lootboxes (the EU will eventually sue major studios for actual billions, and lootbox mechanics will be removed from all games, lowering profits), and it's fairly easy to see how it *could* happen.

look at EA after the backlash from StarWars battlefield 2 it does prove that we do have some sway over game companies

pestilencia

"What is dead may never die"

Ferryman

WoW has still good position in MMORPG markets even the BfA has it flaws. Classic is popular and it most likely will have a positive influence to future retail expansions. In addition, the next Shadowlands expansion looks kind of promising and many fans are excited about it. So, it is kind of hard to see Blizzard get killed anytime soon tbh. I would be much more concerned about AoC, because with this development pace and side tracks it will be dead before born. We can easily see at least two WoW expansions before AoC goes live.

Nagash

while the games they make are good I just don't trust the devs

Ferryman

Nagash wrote: »

while the games they make are good I just don't trust the devs

Why you don't trust the devs? And what harm they can actually done?

It is easy to believe that we will see a new WoW expansion during Q4 in this year. Blizzard has produced new content with steady pace over 15 years now and we will see this same trend continuing also in near future. It also look likes the devs are listening fans and testers more than ever and they react faster to problems than earlier. Of course there has been this problem with BfA having a good amount of bad features and general flaws which needs some fixing. Anyhow, I have always trusted the company even I have partly disagreed with the course of the development and necessity of some implemented mechanics. The story and lore is always polished triple AAA class and almost only that makes the game at least worth to play for casual fun or as a filler. I personally trust that we will get a solid next expansion from where many people finds out something interesting and pleasant activities to accomplish. Player- and fanbase is still solid and it will hold easily, partly thanks to classic, and even it is hard to see Blizzard back in the numbers of their best years, still it would be easy to argue against claims that WoW is going down or getting killed by any other game/company.

Wandering Mist

ferryman wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

while the games they make are good I just don't trust the devs

Why you don't trust the devs? And what harm they can actually done?

It is easy to believe that we will see a new WoW expansion during Q4 in this year. Blizzard has produced new content with steady pace over 15 years now and we will see this same trend continuing also in near future. It also look likes the devs are listening fans and testers more than ever and they react faster to problems than earlier. Of course there has been this problem with BfA having a good amount of bad features and general flaws which needs some fixing. Anyhow, I have always trusted the company even I have partly disagreed with the course of the development and necessity of some implemented mechanics. The story and lore is always polished triple AAA class and almost only that makes the game at least worth to play for casual fun or as a filler. I personally trust that we will get a solid next expansion from where many people finds out something interesting and pleasant activities to accomplish. Player- and fanbase is still solid and it will hold easily, partly thanks to classic, and even it is hard to see Blizzard back in the numbers of their best years, still it would be easy to argue against claims that WoW is going down or getting killed by any other game/company.

On the one hand I agree with you, but then I see the shit they pulled with Warcraft 3 reforged and I have my doubts.

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