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@noaani Yeah the fact that countrys are now rushed to adjust to immision targets is causing these crazy laws. It is still something nobody asked for. While I appreciate you educating me about how politics work, It does not take away that my country pays the most money per capita. Even more then Germany. That is why i asked if you live in west Europe yourselve? You might be looking at this from a different perspective.
And i understand the rich do balance out the poor in the long run but again.... The average citizen like myselve as local buisnes owner, notices alot of money going out and alot of pointless laws returning. This average citizen accepts helping others and working togetherewith other countrys - but does not relate to the crazy measures being taken.
It is only part of the bigger picture though. We did not even start about the loss of cultural identity and woman fertility rate yet but lets not go there for the sake of forum TOS xd

Damokles

Wololo wrote: »

@noaani Yeah the fact that countrys are now rushed to adjust to immision targets is causing these crazy laws. It is still something nobody asked for. While I appreciate you educating me about how politics work, It does not take away that my country pays the most money per capita. Even more then Germany. That is why i asked if you live in west Europe yourselve? You might be looking at this from a different perspective.
And i understand the rich do balance out the poor in the long run but again.... The average citizen like myselve as local buisnes owner, notices alot of money going out and alot of pointless laws returning. This average citizen accepts helping others and working togetherewith other countrys - but does not relate to the crazy measures being taken.
It is only part of the bigger picture though. We did not even start about the loss of cultural identity and woman fertility rate yet but lets not go there for the sake of forum TOS xd

1. The netherlands pays 236€ per capita, while germany pays 240€ per capita
2. The netherlands pays around 4 billion, while germany pays around 19.5 billion
3. Germany looses around 13 billion a year on the eu, do you see us cry like a baby?
4. The EU is a democratically elected government.

Get your facts right please...

https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/22/eu-budget-spending-contributions-european-union

Nagash

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Wololo

Damokles wrote: »

Wololo wrote: »

@noaani Yeah the fact that countrys are now rushed to adjust to immision targets is causing these crazy laws. It is still something nobody asked for. While I appreciate you educating me about how politics work, It does not take away that my country pays the most money per capita. Even more then Germany. That is why i asked if you live in west Europe yourselve? You might be looking at this from a different perspective.
And i understand the rich do balance out the poor in the long run but again.... The average citizen like myselve as local buisnes owner, notices alot of money going out and alot of pointless laws returning. This average citizen accepts helping others and working togetherewith other countrys - but does not relate to the crazy measures being taken.
It is only part of the bigger picture though. We did not even start about the loss of cultural identity and woman fertility rate yet but lets not go there for the sake of forum TOS xd

1. The netherlands pays 236€ per capita, while germany pays 240€ per capita
2. The netherlands pays around 4 billion, while germany pays around 19.5 billion
3. Germany looses around 13 billion a year on the eu, do you see us cry like a baby?
4. The EU is a democratically elected government.

Get your facts right please...

https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/22/eu-budget-spending-contributions-european-union

That kinda depends where you get your numbers from i guess, could be 8 or 1 year old.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-countries-are-the-biggest-boost-or-drag-on-the-eu-budget/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318
https://inews.co.uk/news/charts/much-uk-pays-eu-much-get-back-537626
All i know and can confirm is that Germany is the biggest netto contributor with Netherlands being the biggest contributor per capita. Lets keep in mind that Netherlands has 17m+ish ppl and Germany 80m+ish. Not that it has to do with the point I am making but the math here should say enough.
This subject seems to hit a sore spot at anyone whether for- or against a EU nation. And i dont know nearly enough about politics to get entangled further in this discussion. Just wanted to use the chance to rage at my prime minister from what i notice changing on a personal level, and what alot of dutchy's seem to agree with

Noaani

Wololo wrote: »

This average citizen accepts helping others and working togetherewith other countrys - but does not relate to the crazy measures being taken.

Then educate yourself on those measures.

We've already established that your understanding of the EU is not as good as you would like to think it is, it is probably the same here.

Getting angry at something you don't actually understand is really easy. If you understand it, and are still angry, then you have a valid grievance.

While it is true that The Netherlands does contribute the largest portion of it's GDP to the EU out of all Member States, it's worth noting that it is also the most dependent on the EU out of all Member States.

If The Netherlands were to leave the EU, Rotterdam would be overtaken as the largest port in Europe before long, and goods going to the EU would skip it completely. On top of that, the multinational companies that have headquarters in The Netherlands would obviously all get up and leave (note: Brexit).

I don't think I need to tell you what this would do to The Netherlands economy.

The UK made the mistake of blaming all the things they didn't like on the EU, without actually paying attention to what the EU does and does not do for them.

Don't make that same mistake yourself.

Wololo

@noaani Talking down on me like that and assuming I claim to be some eu expert or angry makes no sence tbh, Unless you enjoy it.. Il stay chill af mate. You did not respond twice to my question if you are from the west EU yourselve. So i wonder what is the point of going into a noaani v dygz style quotebattle here.

Varkun

Nagash wrote: »

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Hate is an ugly word, but I will forgive you because we all hate lag.

Nagash

Varkun wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Hate is an ugly word, but I will forgive you because we all hate lag.

I was going to say despise but that felt to strong

Damokles

Nagash wrote: »

Varkun wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Hate is an ugly word, but I will forgive you because we all hate lag.

I was going to say despise but that felt to strong

You despise the dude who eats icecream like an idiot and then goes around touching things.
You hate the guy who throws icecream at other people (including you) and then kicks a dog.

Varkun

Damokles wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Varkun wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Hate is an ugly word, but I will forgive you because we all hate lag.

I was going to say despise but that felt to strong

You despise the dude who eats icecream like an idiot and then goes around touching things.
You hate the guy who throws icecream at other people (including you) and then kicks a dog.

How does one eat ice cream like an idiot?

Noaani

Wololo wrote: »

@noaani Talking down on me like that and assuming I claim to be some eu expert or angry makes no sence tbh, Unless you enjoy it.. Il stay chill af mate. You did not respond twice to my question if you are from the west EU yourselve. So i wonder what is the point of going into a noaani v dygz style quotebattle here.

Not really talking down to you (definitely not in the same manner I sometimes do with "other posters" on this forum), just pointing out a few things. Sometimes it helps to have things laid out for us, even if it is things that we know, sometimes just having someone lay it out for us can help us see the whole thing at once. That may sometimes come across as rude, but I've got no issue if people think that of me as long as they keep an amount of focus on the discussion at hand.

You've spent enough time on these forums to potentially notice there is a pattern to the topics I post opinions about, and the topics I ask questions about. That pattern is basically areas I do know a good amount about vs areas I don't know much about.

This is generally my thing - I'm happy talking about things I know a good amount about, sharing what I know (arguments only really come in to play when people think their opinions are facts - there is a distinct difference). I am happy asking questions about things I know little about, but I won't post opinions about something that I have no real idea about.

Whether I am from the EU or not is not really a question - the people that know the most about the inner workings of the EU are those that deal with the EU daily, not those inside the EU. Assuming you agree with my above statement that I tend to only talk about things that I know at least a good amount about, you can assume, if you wish, that this applies to this discussion as well.

Wololo

@noaani It makes more sence now you explained it, Thats a good way to approach things. Ty

Noaani

Wololo wrote: »

@noaani It makes more sence now you explained it, Thats a good way to approach things. Ty

No worries, I do hope I've helped a little.

Politics is one of those things that I personally encourage everyone to get informed about and involved in. People don't necessarily need to run in an election themselves - or even assist in an election - to make a real difference. In fact, I wouldn't even say that is the most effective thing a person could do.

To me, the most effective thing a person could do is to inform themselves, and be willing to talk about politics openly. A massive number of people hold on to a false fact that they truly believe, and this false fact has an overwhelming effect on their political outlook. If you are able to provide them with correct information (and source that information so they can check it if they wish), then you can alter a persons entire political outlook in just a few minutes worth of conversation.

I make a point of openly talking about politics at work as much as I can, both within the members of my team, and with other team leaders. Some of these people have changed their outlook, but more importantly to me, all of them are now more informed about politics, and feel comfortable taking that slightly better informed position they are in now to encourage political discussions with their friends and family.

It isn't necessarily trying to convince people to vote the same way I would in an election - that would be pointless (based on what I vote based on). To me, it is more important that these people make it known to who ever they elected that that elected official is representing people that are actually paying attention to politics.

I am of the opinion that this makes a real difference. Others may disagree, and they are free to do so, but that is still my opinion on the matter.

George_Black

I would like to see an example of a vulnerable country achieving prosperity with the use of politics, successfully avoiding being drained by it's stronger "friends/allies"

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

I would like to see an example of a vulnerable country achieving prosperity with the use of politics, successfully avoiding being drained by it's stronger "friends/allies"

China.

George_Black

noaani wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

I would like to see an example of a vulnerable country achieving prosperity with the use of politics, successfully avoiding being drained by it's stronger "friends/allies"

China.

Wont take the bait.

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

I would like to see an example of a vulnerable country achieving prosperity with the use of politics, successfully avoiding being drained by it's stronger "friends/allies"

China.

Wont take the bait.

It isn't bait.

90 years ago, China was one of the poorest countries in the world.

Now it's... not.

If you want more recent examples, then look to Zambia and Ghana, the two most recent countries that I know of to pull themselves from low income to middle income countries.

They are at the start of the journey that China and India both took decades ago.

This is the thing though, there are always countries that are pulling themselves up, but because it is a process that literally takes decades (or centuries, honestly), it isn't something people notice unless they actually go out and specifically look for it. If you do go and look for it though, you see countries that have done it.

Afaik there are now only around 35 countries that are in the low income bracket, compared to around 65 at the turn of the millennium.

George_Black

Not taking the bait m8.
China?
India?

Zambia?
Ghana?

Look at the quality of life of the examples you gave as solid politics.
Those ppl suffer big time.

Damokles

Varkun wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Varkun wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So just wanted to say I hate lag

Hate is an ugly word, but I will forgive you because we all hate lag.

I was going to say despise but that felt to strong

You despise the dude who eats icecream like an idiot and then goes around touching things.
You hate the guy who throws icecream at other people (including you) and then kicks a dog.

How does one eat ice cream like an idiot?

With it dripping all over his hand and smeared into the lpwer half of his face.

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

Not taking the bait m8.
China?
India?

Zambia?
Ghana?

Look at the quality of life of the examples you gave as solid politics.
Those ppl suffer big time.

What, just because you don't agree with some aspects of their way of life or form of government?

Fact is, they are improving. That is what you asked for.

Ghana and Zambia right now have the quality of life the average person in the west had a just prior to the first World War, maybe a bit better. China and India are far superior to what we had even 50 years ago. All four of these countries are working on improving things, and doing a successful job at it.

As I said though, these things take decades at best, so I'm not sure what more you want other than examples of countries that are working on it - much as the west is still working on it (well, other than the US, which for some reason think are at the pinnacle already).

If you want an example of countries that found some political magic potion that instantly turned their country from a low income, poverty stricken hopeless mess into a high income country, then that is obviously not realistic.

On the other hand, if you are looking for examples of countries that are in the process of working towards improving their situation from low income up to as high as they can manage, then I have given you four already.

If you want an example of a country that has moved itself up to the high income bracket recently, then I believe Panama is the most recent (2018 iirc).

If you want examples of countries that have already completed this process, well, other than the US who are misguided on this notion (at least at the Presidential level), it doesn't exist, as every country is still working on trying to improve it's conditions.

Even places like North Korea are trying to improve things. They aren't doing it in a way that is agreeable to the majority in the west, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to improve things in their own way.

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