How will the game prevent Streamers from just taking over every node they want?
Raoul9753
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So, I first say that I didnt play any playtesting of this game, this is exactly why I have this question.
My Information comes from the Wiki, the recent Q&A, the Interview with Asmongold and the LazyPeons Video, which made me learn about the game in the first place.
So to my question:
As far as I understand evey node will, once grown to a town, start to vote a leader every month, going with different attempts depending on the node type. Where I see a problem here is, that people with big followings (aka streamers) and I wonder if a random dude even stands a chance to ever become a town leader againste these people who have a cult following them.
Some Nodes will have elections, and well, I dont think anyone could beat someone like Asmongold there, he just has too many sheeps in his flock for anyone to beat him in a popularity contest, but what about the other types?
As far as I learned, there are 3 other ways depending on the nodes: Buying the leadership position in a auction, Having the most exp contribution to a node and winning a free for all PvP tournament.
And for all three of those, I see Streamers winning every single time. For the Auction part, their sheeps can just funnle ressources into the streamers bank account so he can outbid even guild leaders by a landslide without tapping into his or her own budget, for the exp contribution they can just have their sheeps run arround collecting Quest materials for the streamer to hand in or provide him with a buff squad for kill quests and in a free for all PvP Match, their sheeps will jsut kill everyone else and then let their streamer kill them for an easy win...
Are there any systems in place to prevent that the Node Leafer List will not just be a rearrangement of the "top 100 streamers" list?
My Information comes from the Wiki, the recent Q&A, the Interview with Asmongold and the LazyPeons Video, which made me learn about the game in the first place.
So to my question:
As far as I understand evey node will, once grown to a town, start to vote a leader every month, going with different attempts depending on the node type. Where I see a problem here is, that people with big followings (aka streamers) and I wonder if a random dude even stands a chance to ever become a town leader againste these people who have a cult following them.
Some Nodes will have elections, and well, I dont think anyone could beat someone like Asmongold there, he just has too many sheeps in his flock for anyone to beat him in a popularity contest, but what about the other types?
As far as I learned, there are 3 other ways depending on the nodes: Buying the leadership position in a auction, Having the most exp contribution to a node and winning a free for all PvP tournament.
And for all three of those, I see Streamers winning every single time. For the Auction part, their sheeps can just funnle ressources into the streamers bank account so he can outbid even guild leaders by a landslide without tapping into his or her own budget, for the exp contribution they can just have their sheeps run arround collecting Quest materials for the streamer to hand in or provide him with a buff squad for kill quests and in a free for all PvP Match, their sheeps will jsut kill everyone else and then let their streamer kill them for an easy win...
Are there any systems in place to prevent that the Node Leafer List will not just be a rearrangement of the "top 100 streamers" list?
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Never underestimate the evilness of your fellow humans. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
There isn't really that much in the way of perks to being leader of a node. You get the mount, which is great, and you make a few decisions, but there isn't much of a personal benefit to it.
Owning a castle, on the other hand, will offer them far better benefits - while still giving them the mount.
If a streamer like Asmonwtfever were to use his influence to take over a node rather than a castle, I'd probably just laugh at the waste of resources that was.
If someone brings in a giant community into a server they will have an "advantage" over someone that joins without a community or even a smaller one.
But that is the nature of things.
The game won't prevent it...but the game will allow tons of other guilds to stop it if they choose to join forces and do so.
I don't think the game should prevent streamers from doing this. And I don't think they will. Why? Because top streamers bring people to the game. It's what makes a game a massively multiplayer online role playing game. I do see what you're saying but I think if that is your concern, you should try to play on a less populated, non-streamer server.
In this case I think the benefit outweighs the cost. Also - who says these streamers want that?
Here you go.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/44956
For economic, people would have to give money (why would I give money to someone else when my guild could use it better)? Devine is the person who does the most devine quests (last we heard...). And military is a brawl.
You could take the initiative to group and and organise a siege if it bothers you that much.
It's not a problem at all, if a streamer is in a node and you want to have the chance to be a mayor of a node, you can leave the node and go join another.
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there is a max of 5 max level nodes...so 5 will be the ones that matter.
Followers of Asmongold might blindly vote for him in the first month but I wouldn't be so sure of their loyalty as soon as they get invested and a proper political economy starts to take form.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Citizenship
Large streamer groups will most likely not be organized enough to take over an entire server for too long if at all...
Just look at Asmon's Olympus guilds. If they have large guilds they will splinter and have a civil war
Military requires a battle
Divine doing quest
Economic is a bid, therefore money.
Even if a streamer gets hold of Mayorship, it will be required for people to vote each month.
A streamer is a really bad mayor, because all of his/her strategy will be plain to see for everyone, even enemies trying to figure out defenses.
So probably, if you have a house in such Node, it's not really a safe choice. Sure, people might vote for streamer the first time, then lose all houses, resources to a Node War, and stop voting streamers.
MIlitary is a free for all where having a ton of people on your side protecting you will give it to you
Economic just need your fans to donate to your bid so you can make a huge bid...this will be the only way to win this one unless you buy gold
Democratic is again popularity
Divine is the only one that won't get completely warped by streamer popularity or guild leader polularity.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Military_nodes
Economic, you have to have lots of people donate a lot of gold each time.
No matter what node type, the streamer and all followers would have to already be a citizen. Since there are soft caps on population, they would have to find a node at the start, all become citizens, and then they could control it going forwards. But then everyone else could just leave and siege it with alliances.
Coordinating that many people to be all citizens of one node would be very improbable.
In a game based on hard counters random 1vs1 pvp tournament will never work. It would be more about which class drew which class than how well you played.
Which is why the militaristic election will require for you to create a champion, rather than use your own character for combat.
You were killed by Amist.
Well that would completely take out how well geared or how much achievement you have.
I made a detailed post on this topic. Check it out, it will explain to you why streamers, unlike in WoW, will play the game just like any normal player would.