So "Alpha 1" is up for sale....Again?

I just want to understand why we are putting "Alpha 1" participation up for sale, outside of the MANY things wrong with that in general, when we havent even gotten K.S. & Summer Sale people into the game yet?

Like from what was just said in the last dev stream, Leader of Men package holders are JUST being allowed into the current "Alpha" build, and as a Braver of World pack holder who is also supposed to have access to alpha 1, Im really trying to understand why we are putting access to that back into play?

Especially, when once again an entire selling point was the limited time access to those packs.

Someone please help me understand.

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Lafi

Aardvark wrote: »

Lafi wrote: »

Just charge more, a1 from KS becomes a premium for being there early.
Dont add alpha 2 players. We didn't pay for alpha 1 so we don't deserve it.
Nothing wrong with what they're doing with reselling IF needed.

Why unless they are deperate for money just invite a random selection of alpha 2 people.

So instead of paying the 350 or however for alpha 1, random alpha 2s get it for 125?
And you see that as fair?
Get what you paid for. Dont try to cheek for more free stuff its just gross.

Songcaller

Some paid $375 for Alpha 2, if it is a package upgrade then it should be an extra $125 to gain access to Alpha 1. That is irrespective of any extra boons, simply an upgrade from Alpha 2 to Alpha 1. I do not understand your logic that some could pay less for Alpha 1 while some should pay more for Alpha 2.

I do not care particularly if Alpha 2's can't upgrade to Alpha 1 - Its not like Alpha 1 will have an NDA, but, I wouldn't expect to be milked for cash to upgrade a package if the package is available.

Edit: I do not agree with the people who request Alpha 1 at double the price either.

Noaani

Lafi wrote: »

Dont try to cheek for more free stuff its just gross.

While I agree with this, so is complaining that someone else got a free thing that you didn't.

Aardvark

Lafi wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Lafi wrote: »

Just charge more, a1 from KS becomes a premium for being there early.
Dont add alpha 2 players. We didn't pay for alpha 1 so we don't deserve it.
Nothing wrong with what they're doing with reselling IF needed.

Why unless they are deperate for money just invite a random selection of alpha 2 people.

So instead of paying the 350 or however for alpha 1, random alpha 2s get it for 125?
And you see that as fair?
Get what you paid for. Dont try to cheek for more free stuff its just gross.

One alpha 2 is currently $250 and two unless they are doing a desperate money grab who sells testing stages for hundreds of dollars. By testing and giving good feedback you are doing them a favor.

Songcaller

Aardvark wrote: »

One alpha 2 is currently $250 and two unless they are doing a deperate money grab who sells testing stages for hundreds of dollars. Most games its either included with preorder or $5-10 option. Everything about the KS looks like they really needed money even though they claim they did not.

Yeah, I forgot the second highest package was $250 Dollars, which should mean to upgrade to Alpha 1 from that pack should be around $250 Dollars, if we take the $500 Alpha 1 Packages as a bench mark. I suspect one wouldn't have to upgrade to Voyager Plus and then Upgrade to Alpha 1.

I do not see how IS is desperate for money. Steven literally says in most interviews 'I don't mind if people buy in or not, I've funded the game to completion.'

I do not see how IS granting the player base further options and access to Alpha 1 would be bad for the player base. If the same rewards were available there could be a case, but, Steven said the Alpha 1 Package will have fresh options with it, so I don't understand the issues of Alpha 1 Pack Resurrection.

Aardvark

Neurath wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

One alpha 2 is currently $250 and two unless they are doing a deperate money grab who sells testing stages for hundreds of dollars. Most games its either included with preorder or $5-10 option. Everything about the KS looks like they really needed money even though they claim they did not.

Yeah, I forgot the second highest package was $250 Dollars, which should mean to upgrade to Alpha 1 from that pack should be around $250 Dollars, if we take the $500 Alpha 1 Packages as a bench mark. I suspect one wouldn't have to upgrade to Voyager Plus and then Upgrade to Alpha 1.

I do not see how IS is desperate for money. Steven literally says in most interviews 'I don't mind if people buy in or not, I've funded the game to completion.'

I do not see how IS granting the player base further options and access to Alpha 1 would be bad for the player base. If the same rewards were available there could be a case, but, Steven said the Alpha 1 Package will have fresh options with it, so I don't understand the issues of Alpha 1 Pack Resurrection.

If they are going to do that you should get the whole list from the $500 pack including the 2 day headstart.

Songcaller

Well, my focus is quite narrow. We won't see old Cosmetics return (I imagine), we won't see Lifetime Subs return (I imagine), so I'm not sure how IS will play the situation. Of course, Ashes have a plethora of options they could throw in to sweeten the upgrade, I'm personally not one for the 2 day Head Start (I don't like to be restricted by server or progress and the Head Start means you can't level Nodes or go beyond level 20 etc).

I would pay for a Lifetime Sub but the rest of the old packages I'm not too fond of. Though, if I could upgrade to Alpha 1, do upgrade to Alpha 1 and accept the Alpha 1 Package, it's not necessarily the rewards I would stoop for, but, the Alpha 1 itself.

It depends whether they price Alpha 1 Access solo or decided to build a Package Deal.

grisu

The issues people have because they can't be arsed to read what exactly was written or said. mimimi

Songcaller

Its not always a case of not reading what was written or said, it is sometimes a case of giving feedback and unveiling urges. I also don't get the image reference...Do you advise we all have a beverage and chill out?

grisu

Yes it is, OP claims multiple times Alpha access was a time limited thing never to be seen again, which is blatantly false. Everything kickstarter exclusive was very prominently marked as such. Literally every line starts with Exclusive, if it is intended to be exclusive to the Kickstarter. The mere existence of Summer backer should support this enough.

End of story. There is no feedback to be given when your statements are founded on false accusations. Steven clarified it once again so I'm not gona bother more than showing what OP should have read in the first place.

Songcaller

False Accusations? What the hell are you on about? OP stated she hasn't been invited to Closed Alpha yet, and, thus is a simple fact. It makes no sense because it was stated 'Earliest Access to Ashes' yet Braver of Worlds are scheduled for access in/around Fall.

Personally, I don't particularly care at all about Alpha 1, what I want to test is in Alpha 2, but, you can not demand the end of feedback because you would like to kibosh the discussion.

OP might have stated the Alpha 1 was time gated - and, it was time gated at that point. I don't see an Alpha 1 Package available, and it wasn't available when I bought into Ashes. The point is everything is subject to change in terms of development and again a time gated Alpha 1 will become available - You can't really sell Alpha 1 after Alpha 1 ends.

I'm happy Steven has clarified Alpha 1 Packages may reappear if testing goes well, because, it means the testing has gone well which we all want. Also because some people do want Alpha 1 Access who were not aware of the Kickstarter back when Kickstarter happened.

TPOTK1NG

Honestly just seems like gatekeeping from OP.

The game blew up and many people who didn't find out about the game until now shouldn't necessarily be excluded from Alpha 1 if Steven and his team deem it manageable to add further players to the Alpha 1 testing group.

Personally I bought the $375 pack because after finding out about 2 weeks ago during the Summit and Shroud interviews I was fascinated and obsessed with the concept for the game. I've stopped playing MMO's up until now because they just lacked the immersion I believe I see in this game. I would easily pay to upgrade to Alpha 1 if it becomes available because I believe in the product in and the game. Had I known about it from the start I would have bought into Alpha 1 when it was available.

Steven can do whatever he thinks is necessary with the game and its within his rights to reverse any prior decisions in the name of progressing the game. If they would like to expand Alpha 1 to those willing to pay to gain even more feedback then they are welcome to do it even if it goes against existing promises.

Songcaller

I agree TPOK1NG, I wouldn't however buy the new Alpha 1 Package if I couldn't upgrade. Not because of the financial constraints but because I have Cosmetics in my Inventory and wouldn't be sure If I could keep my old Account while making a new account.

I wouldn't want to buy two packages if that makes sense but I would upgrade my package. I do think Ashes has great potential though and also bought the maximum package I could buy when I bought. I also would have bought a bigger package if I'd have known about the Kickstarter at the time.

Oh well, I believe in the risk/reward aspects and sometimes one isn't the early bird.

Current

I would happily pay 500$ for A1 access alone, no cosmetics, no titles, no nutting. Whoever has it, you should be happy.

TPOTK1NG

Neurath wrote: »

I agree TPOK1NG, I wouldn't however buy the new Alpha 1 Package if I couldn't upgrade. Not because of the financial constraints but because I have Cosmetics in my Inventory and wouldn't be sure If I could keep my old Account while making a new account.

I wouldn't want to buy two packages if that makes sense but I would upgrade my package. I do think Ashes has great potential though and also bought the maximum package I could buy when I bought. I also would have bought a bigger package if I'd have known about the Kickstarter at the time.

Oh well, I believe in the risk/reward aspects and sometimes one isn't the early bird.

From what I understand he is saying you won't have to buy another package at the higher price point. You'll just be paying the difference between what you have and what you want. So from the 375 to 500 you just pay the 125.

Songcaller

TPOTK1NG wrote: »

From what I understand he is saying you won't have to buy another package at the higher price point. You'll just be paying the difference between what you have and what you want. So from the 375 to 500 you just pay the 125.

Okay, it sounds cool. Will wait to see what is on offer, I don't just blanket buy, I buy what inspires me. We'll see what the future holds.

2for4Sausag3ggMcMuff

Gemiichan is totally right, I didn't even buy the game yet and I felt bad for people who bought early packs. Peoples loyalty and faith in ur company needs to be rewarded, they didn't ask for refunds or start lawsuits when times were grim. Let the hype bois have alpha 2, treat ur dedicated fan base with respect 100% they earned it

Yuyukoyay

Well Alpha/Beta access isn't the only tangible thing you get. You also get a few other things too. I don't think it's a problem as long as you invite enough to have a proper test. I personally got access to Beta 2. I don't like testing alphas.

FuryBladeborne

Aardvark wrote: »

Lafi wrote: »

Just charge more, a1 from KS becomes a premium for being there early.
Dont add alpha 2 players. We didn't pay for alpha 1 so we don't deserve it.
Nothing wrong with what they're doing with reselling IF needed.

Why unless they are deperate for money just invite a random selection of alpha 2 people.

They don't have to be desperate for money. As mentioned in the recent live stream, if they are confident with the current number of players logged in to the servers and want to further stress the server (beyond the 10k players originally accounted for), then selling more A1 access to further stress the servers is only a benefit.

As has been stated many times in this thread and other places, A1 was never listed as an exclusive or limited time option. Steven only stopped the A1 sales because the 10k account goal had been reached.

Nagash

Just make it the same price as its always been and see who buys it

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