Corruption-less server option

On Corruption. Have you given any consideration to a Chaos-style server or subset of servers that have no corruption feature enabled? I'm probably in the minority on this one, as in this day and age, with the type of gamers we have, a darktide server may not stand the test of time like it did back then. However, with the mechanics proposed, I can see some viability. Since guilds and alliances have more power to police the unfavorable elements than with a simple game like AC. I do like the concept of Corruption and think that for the general public, this is a good idea in theory. The more hard-core player-base (albeit much smaller) would enjoy a server with no such limitations. We like the extreme risk and the ability to police ourselves. It also lends to stronger and tighter guilds, where your allegiance really matters and the threat is constant not just from NPC's but from other players all the time.

Update: For anyone just joining the conversation. According to the wiki that LieutenantToast posted, there are going to be no server specific designs. This conversation shall continue debating the corruption system, but has changed focus from the original suggestion.

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Korkone

I really dont get how you all can hate on someones opinion with the Words "This is a stupid idear" "This will kill the game" its not like he asked about doing that on EVERY server... He asked if there will be 1 server out of 20 who has the perma pvp on... i personaly like that idear because i made more friends on servers like that because if you have someone you can really trust on such servers that means alot. You ppl should come out of your littl bubbel and understand that different ppl like different playstyles. So the option to have a server for ppl who like the danger of getting attacked every second is better for you than have us RED players on your server ganging up on you running around in a fixed 5 man group killing you all around the world without caring about consequenzes... because ppl who kill on sight are mostely groups who already trained to play together in sticky situations.

sorry my english sucks so sorry if it came out wrong

LieutenantToast

Hi there - while you can check out what our current philosophy around server types is in the helpful community-run wiki here, I'm going to go ahead and move this over to the General Discussion section as it appears to be more of a suggestion than a question

Darktide

Let me fairly state, that no matter how this game comes out or if they have a pvp server offering. I'll still play it. It's AMAZING looking and sounding. I'm not "Demanding" a pvp server in the way you're telling me that I'm stupid for asking for the option. I want this game however they'll give it to me, right!!!

If you can't bring the server to darktide, bring darktide to the server:
Darktide (the guild) https://discord.gg/x8kfFSy

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Jahlon

The corruption system is too ingrained into the game to have a server without it.

daxiongmao87

What I have to say about this is, why not? Sure have a server like that. BUT maybe after release and at a point where we know player populations are stable and we can afford to shave some players from other servers to support a new, niche one.

Same goes for RP servers

Dolyem

The corruption system is really making the griefers nervous lmao.

BaSkA_9x2

IS has stated there will not be different PvE (opt-in PvP) and PvP (Corruption system) servers, which is great. As far as I know, IS has never said anything about a corruption-less server, or in other words, a server where PKing has no punishment - or at least no penalties enforced by in-game systems.

I really enjoy Deadman Mode in OSRS, and although it has lots of issues mainly due to poor design of the game, I would like to play something similar in AoC.

Darktide

Lfmr wrote: »

I would totally love a corruptionless server, just so long as it's only one or two of them, keep in mind a server is only 6000-10000 players, and I can easily see 10000 players wanting a more hardcore experience.

Only one. Part of the allure of Darktide was that it was one-of-a-kind. At times it could have a higher concentration of players than other servers and did have issues because of it, but generally it was the less populated server in the long-run. (still quite a population, but under the max) It lasted as long as any of the carebear servers, and in many cases longer.

Darktide

Jexz wrote: »

I'd probably play on this server. The issue I see is if they offer this server. There will be even more out cry for a pve server. Let alone the bounty hunter system would have to be reworked for both servers so I really don't see this happening.

Good point. I didn't think about that, but it's very true, people would beg for a pvp-less server option, and that's a whole can of worms... Not insurmountable, however. It would be just as easy to turn off pvp as it would to turn off or lock corruption to a set value.

I would actually prefer that instead of a corruption-less server (which would be fun) no weakness penalty for corruption. The option to set nodes to corrupt mode, making them havens for corrupt people, a KOS list for nodes just like guilds, so that mayors have that ability, I could sleep on this and come up with a good 20 more options better than a corruption less server...

The concept of being notorious and evil-looking is very appealing. The whole dark aura and glowing eyes... It really stuck in my head. Constantly hunted by bounty hunters. Having a guild node that you can still enjoy the game and call home.

What it boils down to is this... Steve supposedly said that or someone inferred that 1-2 kills was nothing, around 20 makes you ineffective. This is not fun. It does not promote pvp. It encourages anger moments and fits of rage against a player.

How about a reverse-KOS toggle. Where you choose who is NOT KoS..

People treat my idea like it's splitting the community. Trust me, do you really want someone like me on your server? I will find ways to abuse the system and kill you out of spite... just .. because I can. It's fun, especially when the enemy is one of those entitled whiners. Just fuels the fire.

On the flip side of that, some of the best pvp i've had was guild wars with a rival guild that I was good friends with.. Does this make any sense? Probably not to most of the emo kiddies.

Darktide

@Jahlon Another example of someone who has no knowledge of game design. It's not entrenched as much as you make it out to be. A simple toggle that disables corruption gain and boom, you have a corruption less server. Wait, just lock the database field.

And I have a better idea than that, which would appeal to many likely.. A reverse-corruption server. Start out corrupted and have to work to become good. This disables weakness as well as the BH system and starts everyone at max corruption.

If the game relies on corruption, then it's not a good idea. You do not design a game to hinge on a pvp metric like this. It's one of those, this is cool, aspects. Because if everything is tied to it, bad things would happen if (god forbid) someone figured out how to exploit the system. *Cough, Bounty-hunters*

Darktide

I can come up with ideas like this all day long on every system they've come up with. That's my RL job, i poke holes and find alternative ways to do things (outside the box).

What saddens me is that I come up with (what I thought was) a cool idea from a pvp standpoint. Being that I feel the system discourages whole-sale pvp other than the pvp they dictate... And people that it would not even affect chime in on how bad of an idea it is, or how it would split the servers. Um you couldn't last 10 minutes on a real pvp server without your meds.

And this toxic attitude is why Amazon folded in pvp on New World. They listened to the squeaky wheel. THEIR pvp was too entrenched to offer an optional server and this change required a huge re-write, which upset a large portion of their community and pushed their release day by more than a year.

Darktide

LieutenantToast wrote: »

Hi there - while you can check out what our current philosophy around server types is in the helpful community-run wiki here, I'm going to go ahead and move this over to the General Discussion section as it appears to be more of a suggestion than a question

Dayam, I totally missed your comment. TY for the link, kind sir, or maam!

Darktide

... and crap. first two lines.
There won't be separate roleplaying (RP) servers.
There won't be separate PvE and PvP servers.

Instead of flaming my suggestion, anyone could have simply sent me that link and I would have been like, cool thank you!

Whiskiz

As a pvp player myself, that isn't afraid of the monster hiding under my bed - where there's 20 pro korean players hiding just outside of the town i'm in to wait for me personally, and other such silly pvp related fears (like being perma farmed at low level: like people have nothing better to do in such a massive, sandbox game, let alone it being a common thing the entire world wide, let alone design decisions that can be made to counter that like Darkfall did) as well as someone that can handle losing to other people - i like the sound of the idea.

Then i realize this wouldn't need to be done if the Corruption system had a little tweaking, a little better balancing - if say you didn't instantly gain corruption after the first person you killed *regardless of similar level or anything else* Sure the amount of Corruption is apparently based on how many you've killed previously, so you don't instantly get alot of Corruption - but to pvp just one person out in the world, who's maybe similar level and then be any level of Corruption straight up, now showing up on the map for anyone to come kill, potentially losing gear etc i feel is a little overkill.

It could be something as simple as say if you kill 3 people or groups of people within an hour, or 1 person/group outside a level range or something like that, you then get Corrupted - To give at least a little leeway for open world pvp.

Otherwise there's really little reason implementing open world pvp in the first place. This, i think is the problem with current Corruption and it can be fixed, instead of needing a whole new server.

Isn't the goal to apparently have systems in place to not abuse/spam/grief with it? Not to stamp it out in its entirety otherwise face penalties like losing gear?

Because otherwise that could easily be achieved by removing the system altogether.

I'm all for risk vs reward, but not the instant you look at one person wrong. Lol.

novercalis

CaptnChuck wrote: »

I don't really like this idea at all. Even hardcore players will get tired of being constantly pked. Also, there is simply no reason to divide the community into hardcore and casual players and design servers for each specifically.

hardcore player here - wont get tired. I still play UO from time to time to PK. I live and breathe to PK all day long.

[UPK] - United Player Killers shall grief once more in a new mmo. Perma-red for life. All your loot belong to us.

Darktide

@Whiskiz Thank you. I'm not for griefing. But am in favor of open-world pvp and really couldn't have put it much better. There is a big difference in say.. defending your turf (I said your in a temporary sense), versus whole-sale manslaughter of everyone at the starter portal.

Switching modes since I know there is no pvp server option. Yes, the corruption system needs to be tweaked considerably if they intend to promote healthy open-world pvp, but care has to be taken to maintain that protection they are looking for. I get it, I really do.

But after you get some xp under your belt and aren't a noob anymore, that constant conflict is really fun. NO, not guild x you've been at war with for 100 years. I mean, what about the caravan system?

So we go rob a caravan that has, say 10 people defending it... Now we're all super corrupt and the next harvester that walks by can kill us all? Because I assume corruption carries over to anyone attacking (a group lets say). So this leads to not wanting to rob caravans and going after the individual player. Wait, there's no incentive for that because he doesn't drop anything...

Am I painting a bad picture of pvp? This is my initial impressions. Game is kick azz and very solid sounding, but pvp... not seeing the big picture, personally.

mrwaffles

Jexz

@Flagg We don't know what tweaks it will need if any until we actually get to try it out. I had similar concerns
Someone pointed out to me that I don't know how much corruption I gain when someone else is close to my level. nor do I know how fast I can grind it off. If I can lose the corruption in the time it takes for that player to return I see nothing wrong with the corruption system.

NelsonRebel

I dont see the point.

Corruption is kind of part of the entire lore of the game. (From what we've been told)

This request just feels selfish

Darktide

I agree with that, @jexz. There are still some concerns. When talking about larger encounters.. You can't lay siege to a town outside of the raiding mechanic, of course. I'm assuming these will be virtually safe zones. But like you said, we won't know until we see it.

I am interested to see how it plays out. I have a split opinion on the system as I understand it to date. Bringing the pve and pvp communities together is a good thing. But practically discouraging all but consensual pvp isn't perfectly appealing. We'll have to see how it plays out.

However, I see pvp mostly utilized in games in an open-world setting as a method of environmental control. I don't see this as a possibility in this game. But then again, without this control in place, there would be nothing standing to prevent someone like us from dominating a server by brute force.That would be no fun in the long-run.

@nelsonrebel Not selfish, but it's not going to happen so it's a moot point anyway.

bloodprophet

I personally am against any kind of special server of any flavor. Adding or changing things for a server leads to mission creep and delays launch. All this stuff has to be planned out and thought through as to how it effects all the other systems. So much of what they have shown so far is tightly intermingled.

Jexz

@Flagg you should read the wiki... The only forms of PvP that give corruption are when you kill someone that does not fight back. Caravans are a pvp event there is no corruption. You wouldn't have to assume a node is a safe zone if you read the wiki . You indeed can kill players in towns. As far as large scale goes out side of sieges . There will be the ability to declare war on other guilds to fight open world. As well as you can bet there will be fights for open world raid bosses.
If you understood the death penalties you would also see there is more incentive to fight back than bend over and die.