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New Gambling Feature

KybubKybub Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
in General Discussion
As a former blackjack dealer, I would love to be able to deal blackjack inside a tavern to my buzzed costumers.

Tired from swinging your swords and casting your fire balls through the newly discovered dungeon? Come stop by the Tavern and sit at my blackjack table! After a few drinks and money sinks, go back to swinging your swords and casting your fireballs to get your coin back!

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  • rodzorrodzor Member, Braver of Worlds, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Gambling should definitely be in the game, if you've watched any unofficial gambling in WoW (Asmongold Death Rolling) it is very entertaining.
  • rodzorrodzor Member, Braver of Worlds, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    rodzor wrote: »
    Gambling should definitely be in the game, if you've watched any unofficial gambling in WoW (Asmongold Death Rolling) it is very entertaining.

    Either way, with the free market AoC will have we will be able to do it unofficially anyways.
  • Wandering MistWandering Mist Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Given the current state of affairs within the gaming industry, this is a terrible idea, even if you aren't playing for real world money. As a former blackjack dealer you should know just how addicting gambling can become, and this game is likely going to have a teen rating which means minors are going to be playing it.
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  • rodzorrodzor Member, Braver of Worlds, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Wandering Mist wrote: »
    Given the current state of affairs within the gaming industry, this is a terrible idea, even if you aren't playing for real world money. As a former blackjack dealer you should know just how addicting gambling can become, and this game is likely going to have a teen rating which means minors are going to be playing it.

    Yea it probably won't be worth the media attention to endorse gambling tbh, like I said though people will definitely do it unofficially.
  • KybubKybub Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Wandering Mist wrote: »
    Given the current state of affairs within the gaming industry, this is a terrible idea, even if you aren't playing for real world money. As a former blackjack dealer you should know just how addicting gambling can become, and this game is likely going to have a teen rating which means minors are going to be playing it.

    With the games that will be present in the tavern as of right now, it's will be easy to gamble, and people are going to be doing it. So why not blackjack? 💪😃 Ah, people have seen and been through much worse at younger ages. Blackjack on pixels will amount to nothing in regards to a teen audience! I do like your side though! Very cool 😎
  • KybubKybub Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Kybub wrote: »
    Wandering Mist wrote: »
    Given the current state of affairs within the gaming industry, this is a terrible idea, even if you aren't playing for real world money. As a former blackjack dealer you should know just how addicting gambling can become, and this game is likely going to have a teen rating which means minors are going to be playing it.

    With the games that will be present in the tavern as of right now, it's will be easy to gamble, and people are going to be doing it. So why not blackjack? 💪😃 Ah, people have seen and been through much worse at younger ages. Blackjack on pixels will amount to nothing in regards to a teen audience! I do like your side though! Very cool 😎

    I am just now realizing how weak my rebuttal is. I surrender. Next time go easy on me 😢
  • rodzorrodzor Member, Braver of Worlds, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Kybub wrote: »
    Wandering Mist wrote: »
    Given the current state of affairs within the gaming industry, this is a terrible idea, even if you aren't playing for real world money. As a former blackjack dealer you should know just how addicting gambling can become, and this game is likely going to have a teen rating which means minors are going to be playing it.

    With the games that will be present in the tavern as of right now, it's will be easy to gamble, and people are going to be doing it. So why not blackjack? 💪😃 Ah, people have seen and been through much worse at younger ages. Blackjack on pixels will amount to nothing in regards to a teen audience! I do like your side though! Very cool 😎

    You'd be surprised what the Karen's of this world can get accomplished nowadays lmfao
  • NiraadaNiraada Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2020
    @Kybub explicitly including gambling in a game, versus it being emergent gameplay created by players are two very different things from a legal and marketing perspective, and can directly impact the ability of game creators to operate in certain regions or reach target audiences.

    A similar example would be something like hate-speech. Including it in the game through dialogue may affect the rating and marketability, but developers aren't necessarily responsible for players engaging in hate-speech during online play (although that can get into some murky legal waters too, in some cases).
  • AeriAeri Member, Settler, Kickstarter
    Niraada wrote: »
    @Kybub explicitly including gambling in a game, versus it being emergent gameplay created by players are two very different things from a legal and marketing perspective, and can directly impact the ability of game creators to operate in certain regions or reach target audiences.

    A similar example would be something like hate-speech. Including it in the game through dialogue may affect the rating and marketability, but developers aren't necessarily responsible for players engaging in hate-speech during online play (although that can get into some murky legal waters, too in some cases).

    Particularly with some of the new legislation that is starting to emerge in places like the EU. Explicitly including gambling could end up being a bad idea.
  • NiraadaNiraada Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    @Aeri you quoted me and made me realise I put a comma out of place. Now I can't take it back! x.x
  • PhakzMachinePhakzMachine Member, Alpha Two
    I would love some sort of twist on a card game that is specific to AoC. It can be a simple card game like a spin-off Blackjack or a more complicated card game. I love the idea of people in the world being known as the "dealers" though.Also, it would be cool to collect unique cards or even just cosmetics for cards the higher rank you got or the more you played. I always enjoyed the game within the game idea just like Gwent in The Witcher.
  • AptosAptos Member
    Gambling I think is fine in video games as long as there are limits in place. I think it takes away from what the game is supposed to be and instead of enjoying the game for what it is, many people end up spending all of their time playing a game they could otherwise play on on another platform.

    And it isn't exactly a good feeling to work for your progression and your game currency just to see someone with more just because they got lucky on a few games of luck.

    But I do believe it can be implemented in a way that works. For example, you win a different currency that can buy you cosmetic items, or something of the sort.
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 2020
    Aeri wrote: »
    Niraada wrote: »
    @Kybub explicitly including gambling in a game, versus it being emergent gameplay created by players are two very different things from a legal and marketing perspective, and can directly impact the ability of game creators to operate in certain regions or reach target audiences.

    A similar example would be something like hate-speech. Including it in the game through dialogue may affect the rating and marketability, but developers aren't necessarily responsible for players engaging in hate-speech during online play (although that can get into some murky legal waters, too in some cases).

    Particularly with some of the new legislation that is starting to emerge in places like the EU. Explicitly including gambling could end up being a bad idea.

    Yea I could be wrong but I was under the assumption that due to recent rulings in the EU, you can't have gambling of this nature in an MMO if you want to operate in the EU.

    Edit: And apparently many countries outside the EU have even stricter gambling restrictions so I'm going to assume such a request is impossible.

  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I like the idea of illicit gambling taking place in taverns, with the players running it all themselves. Maybe you just use a /dice command or something to generate a number. Since it’s all informal and voluntary, there is nothing mechanical that prevents a player from refusing to pay, but then that can lead to the player getting attacked (PvP!) or have their name put out as untrustworthy, and then guilds can spread the word that nobody should trade with them or help them.

    I think it would be awesome if it goes this way. Then Intrepid can honestly say they don’t support gambling in the game and avoid controversy, and players can still do it under their noses. Having it totally run by players and policed by them makes it feel more immersive and makes the community stronger. Plus, it will be interesting to see what kinds of innovative gambling games players can make up within the limitations of the game’s UI.
     
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  • XenotorXenotor Member, Alpha Two
    As stated allready Gamble has some very strick laws in the EU so they would have to have seperate clients for EU and US.
    They wont do that. To mutch work for to lidl gain.
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  • KybubKybub Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Xenotor wrote: »
    As stated allready Gamble has some very strick laws in the EU so they would have to have seperate clients for EU and US.
    They wont do that. To mutch work for to lidl gain.

    They have already talked about card games on one of there interviews in 2018.
  • XenotorXenotor Member, Alpha Two
    Kybub wrote: »
    Xenotor wrote: »
    As stated allready Gamble has some very strick laws in the EU so they would have to have seperate clients for EU and US.
    They wont do that. To mutch work for to lidl gain.

    They have already talked about card games on one of there interviews in 2018.

    card games doesnt mean gambling.
    You Gamble the moment money (Real life or ingame) becomes involved.
    Even chess can be turned into a Gamble if you let people bet on the outcome.

    The Witcher 3 had Gwen with its gambling mechanic but the game was rated Mature so they could do that.
    AoC is trying for a Teen rating i think.( Correct me if im wrong there)
    So no Gamble like mechanics in the EU.

    They can still implement card games and board games into AoC, they just cant implement an official mechanic that involves Money.
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  • BeekeeperBeekeeper Member
    I'm against including modern games like Blackjack or Poker.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    With Gwent if you lost, you lost a tiny bit of money. There was a limit to how much you could gamble. If you won, you got a new card, and playing the game was an essential way to build your deck(s).

    AoC could follow its lead and allow gambling if they limit the stakes to such a small amount that losing doesn’t hurt you. You mostly play for fun and maybe some kind of achievement. I doubt it would be controversial if done that way.

    Imagine the most basic starter quest awarded 30 copper pieces to complete and you could gamble 5 copper pieces at the most, such a small amount there was almost nothing a vendor sold that cheap.
     
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  • Samson1Samson1 Member
    Aren't you gambling when it comes to pretty much everything you do in life... For example, when you decide to get in your car to drive somewhere with the possibility of crashing/dying, when you pay for a movie in hopes that it will be good, when you try a new food at a restaurant for the first time...

    The whole argument about gambling shouldn't be in the game because "people can get addicted" or "people will spend more time gambling than actually playing the game" ...so what? It's a cool aspect to have in a fantasy game like this. Just because some people have poor self control doesn't mean the whole idea needs to be scrapped for everyone else.
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  • SpeedSpeed Member
    Samson wrote: »
    Aren't you gambling when it comes to pretty much everything you do in life... For example, when you decide to get in your car to drive somewhere with the possibility of crashing/dying, when you pay for a movie in hopes that it will be good, when you try a new food at a restaurant for the first time...

    The whole argument about gambling shouldn't be in the game because "people can get addicted" or "people will spend more time gambling than actually playing the game" ...so what? It's a cool aspect to have in a fantasy game like this. Just because some people have poor self control doesn't mean the whole idea needs to be scrapped for everyone else.

    Well Said. (Slow golf clap)
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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Samson wrote: »
    Aren't you gambling when it comes to pretty much everything you do in life... For example, when you decide to get in your car to drive somewhere with the possibility of crashing/dying, when you pay for a movie in hopes that it will be good, when you try a new food at a restaurant for the first time...

    The whole argument about gambling shouldn't be in the game because "people can get addicted" or "people will spend more time gambling than actually playing the game" ...so what? It's a cool aspect to have in a fantasy game like this. Just because some people have poor self control doesn't mean the whole idea needs to be scrapped for everyone else.
    I’m sure business owners in Vegas tried to pull off that kind of argument to the Nevada Gaming Commission. I doubt it worked.
     
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  • ParadoxPKParadoxPK Member
    With them stating there will be card and dice games I wonder if a non-npc can host things like this. Live out your dreams as a dealer for all those wondering adventures with to much gold in their pockets.
  • Samson1Samson1 Member
    Atama wrote: »
    Samson wrote: »
    Aren't you gambling when it comes to pretty much everything you do in life... For example, when you decide to get in your car to drive somewhere with the possibility of crashing/dying, when you pay for a movie in hopes that it will be good, when you try a new food at a restaurant for the first time...

    The whole argument about gambling shouldn't be in the game because "people can get addicted" or "people will spend more time gambling than actually playing the game" ...so what? It's a cool aspect to have in a fantasy game like this. Just because some people have poor self control doesn't mean the whole idea needs to be scrapped for everyone else.
    I’m sure business owners in Vegas tried to pull off that kind of argument to the Nevada Gaming Commission. I doubt it worked.

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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    ParadoxPK wrote: »
    With them stating there will be card and dice games I wonder if a non-npc can host things like this. Live out your dreams as a dealer for all those wondering adventures with to much gold in their pockets.
    That was what I was saying earlier. Let players make up their own rules and regulate it. If people cheat, then players will retaliate. I love that in a game like Ashes that has open PvP and player governments making rules that we have agency to do that kind of thing. I see a lot of potential in the community being stronger in this game than in most MMOs.
     
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  • DTP BrandoDTP Brando Member
    rodzor wrote: »
    Gambling should definitely be in the game, if you've watched any unofficial gambling in WoW (Asmongold Death Rolling) it is very entertaining.

    Gambling should defiantly be in the game 100%, even if it's small.
  • xVenngeancexVenngeance Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You smudge the thick glop of mud off your shoulder pad. Staggering to the city's innards, your right leg, paralyzed from the tendrils of that monster. Even thinking of that...THING, makes your heart pound like the thunder of the nights storm, blood sizzling like the patter of the misshapen rooftop tiles. Your entire party died that day and you wish you could just get some... *Knock Knock* "Come on in!" Boasts a gleeful tavern keep "Welcome to the IronHorse Tavern, have yourself an' Ale. The smell of freshly baked bread, cheeses, and roasts filled the air, bards were playing, the men and women told jokes laughing, whispers of untold adventures awaiting and adventurer's trying their luck at local games. Perhaps you should try, your hand at the games, you have an unsullied reputation after all.

    For any player, gambling is a chance to get something more, new or rare for a small price, or lose it all.Its exciting, fun, and punishing at times, just like video games. Its fitting for a world that fills of fantasy. And yes there is always concerns for how it would be implemented. If the concern is , addiction, then why sell alcohol. video games, MMOs especially are addictive. More importantly I would rather lose virtual money than real money. unless of course, you paid for that virtual money.

    Look to how other video games have implemented it, for example Diablo III and FFXIV uses a specific currency, in this case it could be tavern currency. For the occupying guild tavern currency could be used in different ways than the visiting people. currency could be obtained from tavern specific quests etc. With the rise GTA RP on youtube, the casino is always entertaining for both players and viewers. Now I'm not saying to go full out casino mode, I just support gambling in games, as long as its worth it. If not an immediate feature, it would still make a good feature for future DLC.

    I know this was posted about a year ago but I thought its worth the discussion. Any thoughts, comments , additions?
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    There was a WOW addon years ago that let you play poker. We would go to the same tavern after raid nights to play a few hands for repair money. It was a cool way to hang out after raids. The guild would otherwise raid log so it gave us something to do that was exciting, but also low effort. Would not mind seeing something like this as a tavern game. Beats death rolling.
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  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    One could still deal blackjack in a tavern...just use physical cards at home and tell the player(s) what you dealt them, and that they should trust you. Let them win at first...
  • GrihmGrihm Member
    edited June 2021
    Kybub wrote: »
    As a former blackjack dealer, I would love to be able to deal blackjack inside a tavern to my buzzed costumers.

    Tired from swinging your swords and casting your fire balls through the newly discovered dungeon? Come stop by the Tavern and sit at my blackjack table! After a few drinks and money sinks, go back to swinging your swords and casting your fireballs to get your coin back!

    As long as there are no real world money involved, have fun.
    Clarification. Cards, dices, chess and the sorts. No slot machines or weird modern day Vegas doohickeys.
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