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  • Beck AltarrBeck Altarr Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    McMackMuck wrote: »
    @Beck Altarr
    Someone mentioned Merch as a solution. AFAIK, IS aren't pursuing Merch atm. I guess this is because they don't perceive a great return on investment at this point in time? I understand that Merch is a form of marketing that generates additional customers for the cosmetic shop, and eventually additional $15 subs, but I'm 100% sure that IS have looked at the numbers and decided 'not yet'.

    Your comment is the only new one I see a point in commenting on and I will this.

    With Covid and the Mask Mandates. Selling Masks at $20 each, which is a $15 profit if you use the right services, would make them a killing.

    I know this because I was doing AoC Masks as a prize option on my streams. They have been the most popular item people want to win. IS, if they capitalized on this, could have made likely thousands. Still could.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    I have been giving away AoC Themed Merch for months. Stickers, Coffee Mugs, Face Masks, Mouse Pad, even a wall hanging. All at my expense and with permission to use the AoC Phoenix and Intrepid Studio Logo.
    If this is true, it is a horrible decision from their perspective. Like, potentially disastrous.

    I would never want my logo attached to a product that I didn't personally QC, or didn't personally hire someone else to QC to my own strict guidelines. This goes for something as mundane as a coffee mug, let alone something actually medically important like a face mask.
    With Covid and the Mask Mandates. Selling Masks at $20 each, which is a $15 profit if you use the right services, would make them a killing.

    I know this because I was doing AoC Masks as a prize option on my streams. They have been the most popular item people want to win. IS, if they capitalized on this, could have made likely thousands. Still could.
    If someone wearing a face mask that you put Ashes logo on happens to spread disease around, that isn't a bad look for it, it is a bad look for the game. If you are having them made the cheapest way you can (which you comments here suggest you are), then I would have doubts as to their efficacy.

    I also have no doubt that you have not had those masks audited by a trusted third party, as if you had, you would understand that the need is to make tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars as a base requirement, not just thousands.

    You aren't doing the game or Intrepid any favors here.
  • VirulentVirulent Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    NO
  • Beck AltarrBeck Altarr Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    I have been giving away AoC Themed Merch for months. Stickers, Coffee Mugs, Face Masks, Mouse Pad, even a wall hanging. All at my expense and with permission to use the AoC Phoenix and Intrepid Studio Logo.
    If this is true, it is a horrible decision from their perspective. Like, potentially disastrous.

    I would never want my logo attached to a product that I didn't personally QC, or didn't personally hire someone else to QC to my own strict guidelines. This goes for something as mundane as a coffee mug, let alone something actually medically important like a face mask.
    With Covid and the Mask Mandates. Selling Masks at $20 each, which is a $15 profit if you use the right services, would make them a killing.

    I know this because I was doing AoC Masks as a prize option on my streams. They have been the most popular item people want to win. IS, if they capitalized on this, could have made likely thousands. Still could.
    If someone wearing a face mask that you put Ashes logo on happens to spread disease around, that isn't a bad look for it, it is a bad look for the game. If you are having them made the cheapest way you can (which you comments here suggest you are), then I would have doubts as to their efficacy.

    I also have no doubt that you have not had those masks audited by a trusted third party, as if you had, you would understand that the need is to make tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars as a base requirement, not just thousands.

    You aren't doing the game or Intrepid any favors here.

    Hate to burst your bubble there but none of the masks people are wearing are effective. Even an N95 mask is not effective in stopping Covid from passing through it, the virus is too small and doesn't need "dropplets". It can live in the open air for an average of 3 hours. Why do you think the media is starting to push double and triple masking? Don't forget, your eyes are also a very easy access point for the virus to enter your body. It's soft mucus tissue, like your nose and mouth.

    The blue ones you buy from Walmart are 3 layer. The WHO says you need 12-16 layer masks to see any level of prevention. All these bandana's and what not people are wearing to satisfy a bylaw don't actually do anything. Face shields do even less. It's sad how uninformed people are because they trust the main stream media and politicians and don't do their own due diligence.

    I'm giving away unoffical, with permission, memorabilia. A lot of the people who have won something don't even use them for their purpose. They put the mug on a shelf, the mask on a display frame. They know they are not getting medical grade WHO approved masks. You're kinda fear mongering here.

    Everything I am giving away is Via Teespring. Most of the custom design masks you see around are from them or similar. I looked at a few different ones. My comment about $5 ea is based on buying in bulk. The more you buy the lower the price.

    As for everything else. I make the design look as good as possible with my Phoenix Radio logo somewhere on it as well so it doesn't look like official merch. If IS had an issue with QC they would ask me to stop, but they haven't so they must be O.K. with it. Don't you think they would be making sure themselves? I don't think they need you telling them how to protect their brand. I have rules I need to follow, and I have. Everyone is satisfied. That should be good enough for you too.

    It's sad how negative a lot of people are when someone tries to step up and promote the game and community themselves in a fun positive manner. One of the comments I get regularly about the AoC community is: Stay away from their forums, it's the most toxic part of the community. - This from OTHER CC's and fans. I''m really starting to believe it. That's why I haven't posted anything in quite some time, until someone unburied this topic that's 6 months old.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited February 2021
    Hate to burst your bubble there but none of the masks people are wearing are effective. Even an N95 mask is not effective in stopping Covid from passing through it, the virus is too small and doesn't need "dropplets". It can live in the open air for an average of 3 hours. Why do you think the media is starting to push double and triple masking? Don't forget, your eyes are also a very easy access point for the virus to enter your body. It's soft mucus tissue, like your nose and mouth.
    They are effective, just not 100% effective.

    Your comment here is about the same as saying seatbelts are not effective because you can still die if you are travelling fast enough.

    There is absolute scientific consensus on this. There isn't political consensus on this in some countries, but that is the fault of those politicians (and is a poor reflection on those same politicians) and doesn't alter actual facts.

    This is pure scientific ignorance on your part, shockingly disturbing for someone distributing face masks that others may be relying on.

    At risk of being banned, you should be ashamed as a human. When the moderators take a look at this comment (which they will, because someone will report it) I hope they pass along to Steven that you are slapping their logo on the cheapest face mask you can find.
  • Beck AltarrBeck Altarr Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Hate to burst your bubble there but none of the masks people are wearing are effective. Even an N95 mask is not effective in stopping Covid from passing through it, the virus is too small and doesn't need "dropplets". It can live in the open air for an average of 3 hours. Why do you think the media is starting to push double and triple masking? Don't forget, your eyes are also a very easy access point for the virus to enter your body. It's soft mucus tissue, like your nose and mouth.
    They are effective, just not 100% effective.

    Your comment here is about the same as saying seatbelts are not effective because you can still die if you are travelling fast enough.

    There is absolute scientific consensus on this. There isn't political consensus on this in some countries, but that is the fault of those politicians (and is a poor reflection on those same politicians) and doesn't alter actual facts.

    This is pure scientific ignorance on your part, shockingly disturbing for someone distributing face masks that others may be relying on.

    At risk of being banned, you should be ashamed as a human. When the moderators take a look at this comment (which they will, because someone will report it) I hope they pass along to Steven that you are slapping their logo on the cheapest face mask you can find.

    You didn't read anything I said did you? I am citing World Health Organization information. There are numerous other studies and papers from virologists and such that have said the masks people wear don't prevent the spread of Covid and are very likely to actually increase the spread because people don't wear them properly and they give a false sense of security, which you obviously have.

    Clearly you don't do any basic investigating on your own and just parrot whatever you've heard on the news. Because if you did, you would know some actual facts about masks and usage and you would know Teespring isn't the cheapest out there. Go to Alibaba and you can pay pennies for masks.

    Your attempts to publicly smear me are only making you look bad. I've done my home work, I've talked to the right people, at the top of the company and negotiated a deal where I can use their logos to gift only, at my expense. There is no RMT involved because the game is 2+ years out from release at this point so good luck with that argument.

    Final point. People who have received these gifts have APPRECIATED IT. It's Fan made. Maybe you should be a better fan of this game and support good ideas that even IS supports. Don't be so toxic.
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  • MaezrielMaezriel Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Hate to burst your bubble there but none of the masks people are wearing are effective. Even an N95 mask is not effective in stopping Covid from passing through it, the virus is too small and doesn't need "dropplets". It can live in the open air for an average of 3 hours. Why do you think the media is starting to push double and triple masking? Don't forget, your eyes are also a very easy access point for the virus to enter your body. It's soft mucus tissue, like your nose and mouth.
    They are effective, just not 100% effective.

    Your comment here is about the same as saying seatbelts are not effective because you can still die if you are travelling fast enough.

    There is absolute scientific consensus on this. There isn't political consensus on this in some countries, but that is the fault of those politicians (and is a poor reflection on those same politicians) and doesn't alter actual facts.

    This is pure scientific ignorance on your part, shockingly disturbing for someone distributing face masks that others may be relying on.

    At risk of being banned, you should be ashamed as a human. When the moderators take a look at this comment (which they will, because someone will report it) I hope they pass along to Steven that you are slapping their logo on the cheapest face mask you can find.

    You didn't read anything I said did you? I am citing World Health Organization information. There are numerous other studies and papers from virologists and such that have said the masks people wear don't prevent the spread of Covid and are very likely to actually increase the spread because people don't wear them properly and they give a false sense of security, which you obviously have.

    Clearly you don't do any basic investigating on your own and just parrot whatever you've heard on the news. Because if you did, you would know some actual facts about masks and usage and you would know Teespring isn't the cheapest out there. Go to Alibaba and you can pay pennies for masks.

    Your attempts to publicly smear me are only making you look bad. I've done my home work, I've talked to the right people, at the top of the company and negotiated a deal where I can use their logos to gift only, at my expense. There is no RMT involved because the game is 2+ years out from release at this point so good luck with that argument.

    Final point. People who have received these gifts have APPRECIATED IT. It's Fan made. Maybe you should be a better fan of this game and support good ideas that even IS supports. Don't be so toxic.

    I could really care less about the swag argument as that's wholly on Intrepid, but don't say mask are ineffective. They are simply a part to limiting your risk which should be used in conjunction w/ social distancing and staying in quarantine.

    Are cloth mask as effective as N95 mask? No, but even the CDC has stated that they are better than absolutely nothing. The biggest benefit they provide though is that they allow you to easily see who takes Covid seriously. If you see someone w/ a properly fitted mask, worn correctly, who sanitizes their hands when walking indoors and doesn't constantly touch everything then you could assume they take other steps to limit their spread of the virus whereas those that wear the mask below their nose, above their chin, or any of the dozens of stupid ways we've seen this last year while they otherwise go about life as if nothing has changed you know to stay away.

    You said it yourself that it's not the mask that are ineffective, but that it's people who feel a mask is the only thing they need to stop the spread.
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  • CypherCypher Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It’s funny how people are still so exaggeratedly afraid of catching something with a 99% survivability rate.

    Anyway, the OP said himself this thread was resolved and there’s no point telling him what he can or can’t give away for free, after Intrepid themselves gave him permission.

    This thread should probably be locked soon.
  • "NO to Content Creators.
    They are FOTM for views I personally dont want them in my game."


    My initial reaction.
    Then i gave it some thought and came to the same conclusion.

    Idm to a point.
    I like to see videos of the games I want to play before I decide to play or not to play.
    I also like to see guides of the games I do play.
    I just dont want you in my game.

    Will letting you have what you ask cause you to interrupt my in game experience?
    Idk.

    I dont watch Content Creators because I like them personally.(Most I dont like)
    I watch because they have a video that I would like to glean from personally for MY benefit.

    It is a give and take relationship you already have with the Game Developers and Viewers and I dont mind it at all.
    However it seems it is getting closer to the line.
    It will be a relationship that could go sour and almost need a sort of Contract.
    The Devs will in essence be advocating, personally the CC, and their content, and that could be a mistake.

  • Beck AltarrBeck Altarr Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Maezriel wrote: »
    I could really care less about the swag argument as that's wholly on Intrepid, but don't say mask are ineffective. They are simply a part to limiting your risk which should be used in conjunction w/ social distancing and staying in quarantine.

    Are cloth mask as effective as N95 mask? No, but even the CDC has stated that they are better than absolutely nothing. The biggest benefit they provide though is that they allow you to easily see who takes Covid seriously. If you see someone w/ a properly fitted mask, worn correctly, who sanitizes their hands when walking indoors and doesn't constantly touch everything then you could assume they take other steps to limit their spread of the virus whereas those that wear the mask below their nose, above their chin, or any of the dozens of stupid ways we've seen this last year while they otherwise go about life as if nothing has changed you know to stay away.

    You said it yourself that it's not the mask that are ineffective, but that it's people who feel a mask is the only thing they need to stop the spread.

    I am not saying they are ineffective. Virologists, Pathologists, medical papers published, other experts. Anecdotally as I got Covid in early December (if you can trust the test as my GF tested negative and we live together). I got it from someone who was wearing a 3 layer mask, was sanitizing and was social distancing. I am passing it on that masks ARE ineffective. The improper use from people only makes it worse. People took a lot more care to social distance before masks were mandated. We saw numbers go down. Once they mandated masks we saw the case count become worse than it was a year ago and it was late summer/fall where Covid doesn't do so well in temps above 20 Celsius, above 27 and it doesn't survive in the open air for any time and UV kills it (sunlight is loaded with UV).

    The amount of actual protection they give you is barely double digits. What the real numbers are is how long you spend in close contact with someone who is Covid Positive. 20-30 seconds is all it takes. More than that and your risk of exposure goes up. If you can shake their hand you are in the danger area.

    Let's face it. 6 foot rule didn't work. Masks clearly don't work any better with the 6 foot rule and in Canada we were told 15 days we'd have it managed. Over 1 year later and I am in my 3rd lock down where I live, I've been put out of business by the government regulations, and with these variants they are already talking about another lock down in a month or two. Which ever variant wins and becomes the dominant one will just mutate in 6-8 months like the Original Covid did back in April/May last year. 6 months after it's initial release, we know Covid mutates every 6-8 months, and the current vaccines are not looking like they will be very effective against the new variants and wont be effective the next time it happens, much like the flu vaccine is only good for the variants they protect against (typically 3 potential variants).

    You see, the flu shot you get in North America is based on the Flu in Australia that they get prior to our flu season. They grow that flu very quickly in labs to see how it will mutate. They take the three most common and then start working on vaccines months in advance. Sometimes they get it right and the Flu that travels to North America mutates to one of the 3 versions you get a shot for. Sometimes though, it mutates differently and the vaccine is not very effective. This will become the Covid deal with a different vaccine needed every year, unless it does what Sars did. Sars mutated and the mutation was harmless to humans and, like other viruses, it kills off it's predecessor which is why Sars just disappeared. It died out so fast they never had time to make a vaccine. That is what someone was hoping was going to happen with Covid and they spoke before they had the facts and got rightly called out for it.

    Anyway this is so off topic lol. I have spent a lot of time researching this because I want to know about Covid recovery and immunity. What I found out is very telling.

    The vaccine has been out for 2 months. Was tested for only a couple months before that. Yet, we are told, the vaccine offers no immunity. You can still catch Covid and spread it. All the vaccine does is make it so you have less symptoms of it or could be asymptomatic altogether (you have covid but don't know or show it).

    They have been studying covid for over a year now. They have had people who have recovered from covid from over a year ago and I could only find 2 things that relate to immunity after recovery. One paper said based on their study depending on the severity of the Covid infection a person could be immune from contracting covid again from 8 months to about 2 years and that there have only been 5 documented cases of people testing positive for covid WORLD WIDE twice. Only one had a more severe reaction the second time. All others showed faster recovery or were asymptomatic. For something that has had over a year of study I find it very telling that this was all the information I could find. This was about a month ago. No mention of could a recovered person still be contagious. Nothing about can they spread it. Seeing as there are only 5 documented cases of people getting it twice, I would suspect they have compromised or weakened immune systems/responses, but there was no mention or hint about that, despite it being relevant information.

    Call it a cover up or a conspiracy, but there are facts about all this being held back or misrepresented. They don't want the public to know that once you have recovered from covid you don't need to mask up anymore because you are no longer a danger to anyone, including grandma. This was before the variants, as yet, I have found nothing about people who have recovered from Covid contracting a variant and getting sick again. It's possible it could happen (I am not being unreasonable or closed minded about this.)

    Me giving away the same quality of masks you can buy in a 7-11 isn't going to hurt anyone, it's not going to offer them any added protection either. At this point face masks are a decoration. If it makes you feel better to use one, do it. If you have a big beard like me, they are 100% useless because you can't get a proper seal anyway. If you are not changing your mask for a new one every hour or when you go into a different store you are cross contaminating spaces and risking your own health. If you put it in your pocket, hang on your mirror in your car or put it into a sandwich bag to use later... You're a public health risk.

    If covid is so bad then why are all the masks in the parking lots not deemed a public health hazard/bio hazard? Covid is 0.01 more deadly than the Flu. 99.95% survivability. In Canada 70+% of all Covid deaths are in long term care facilities with an average death age of 84 where every single person was already going to die from at least 1 other serious health condition.

    A point I want to make to @Noaani about their comment on If someone gets sick from someone wearing a AoC mask... No one talks about the underwear the person who forcefully engages in snuggle cuddles is wearing. Or the Shirt a bank robber or mass shooter is wearing. No one is holding Hugo Boss or Kalvin Clein responsible.

    And I agree, this topic should be locked. It's been completely derailed but I felt the need to try and offer some facts as they relate to one of the major concerns raised in this conversation while keeping it non political, my comments are based on medical experts and journals not anything any politician has said or done. All easily google able. Though you might want to try using Duck Duck Go's search engine. They don't censor or curate results based on algorithms to meet any specific narrative. If you consistently search for something on Google it will learn your proclivities and start to only show you results that meet your wants, your echo chamber as it were.

    You do you and don't worry about what I am doing if it's not hurting you. Have a coke and smile!

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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    You didn't read anything I said did you? I am citing World Health Organization information. There are numerous other studies and papers from virologists and such that have said the masks people wear don't prevent the spread of Covid and are very likely to actually increase the spread because people don't wear them properly and they give a false sense of security, which you obviously have.
    The masks you are giving away absolutely won't.

    If you wear a proper mask, and wear it properly, it is about 98% effective.

    To again compare it to seatbelt, you are basically saying that since some people don't wear it properly, you are fine with handing out seatbelts with poor quality latches as it doesn't matter.

    There absolutely are people that will have the masks you have given them, will wear them properly and will expect that this means they have effective protection - both for them and for others from them.

    They do not.

    Since the masks you are handing out are to assist you in making your (I assume) YouTube channel or some such more popular, this means that you are - by actual literal definition - a charlatan.
    No one talks about the underwear the person who forcefully engages in snuggle cuddles is wearing. Or the Shirt a bank robber or mass shooter is wearing. No one is holding Hugo Boss or Kalvin Clein responsible.

    Any time you feel your best course of action is to compare your actions to that of a **** as a defense - you should probably stop and reconsider your actions.

    Like, I can't really think of a better way of saying "I can't defend my actions here" than comparing those actions to that of ****.
  • Wandering MistWandering Mist Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Since this thread has derailed completely off-topic I'm closing it now.
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