Ganking shouldn't be punished with combat stat nerfs.

sometime we get gear to gank and have a little fun here and there.we like being bandits. bounty system is ok. but combat stat nerf is too much it makes the game no open world pvp.

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OrcLuck

You don't really get a say. The only thing that matters is what works in testing. And I disagree with the premise but thats not important.

If you gank you're going to have fun being on the run and fighting people pay the price and don't by a wimp and try to get them to let you gank people only in your optimal build mode.

Stop being a wussie.

FuryBladeborne

You can kill as many people in open world (and just about anywhere) as you want to. If you kill players that are reasonably around your level, you probably won't go red. If you hit an occasional player that won't fight back, you can just wait a short time to let the corruption go away and continue.

Steven has said that the intended balance is that players should be able to overcome up to 10 level difference by skilled play. 15 levels may be possible but very difficult. Attacked players are essentially paid to fight back due to half penalty for losing or gaining drops from the attacker for winning. Combine the potential for level difference to be overcome and being paid to fight should result in most players around your level will fight and not give you corruption.

Go nuts. PvP everywhere against players that stand a chance is virtually unrestricted by the game.

If you have gone red with a large drop in stats, you have murdered many people that did not fight back which is probably players that are much lower level than you. If your playstyle is to murder low levels endlessly, you are not being catered to; and, if stats are low enough then you will have to stop murdering lowbies whether it is because they kill you or you stop before they do.

Vashramire

To my recollection any debuffs on an attacker would be if they are ganking multiple times in a short period and by ganking I mean someone who didn't fight back. There are plenty of opportunities to do open pvp but I don't think you can steal their gear since if they don't fight you, they don't drop anything and any mobs they killed you can't loot so I don't think you can be a bandit in that way.

Bricktop

Vashramire wrote: »

There are plenty of opportunities to do open pvp but I don't think you can steal their gear since if they don't fight you, they don't drop anything and any mobs they killed you can't loot so I don't think you can be a bandit in that way.

People will still drop a percentage of gatherable materials and certificates if they don't fight you. In fact people will drop MUCH LESS gatherable materials/certs on death if they fight back in PvP. It'll be more lucrative to a ganker if someone doesn't fight back and they are holding a lot of stuff. Source

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

If you hit an occasional player that won't fight back, you can just wait a short time to let the corruption go away and continue.

Just a small correction here @FuryBladeborne but the only way to get rid of corruption is through death or gaining experience. Source

FuryBladeborne

Bricktop wrote: »

Vashramire wrote: »

There are plenty of opportunities to do open pvp but I don't think you can steal their gear since if they don't fight you, they don't drop anything and any mobs they killed you can't loot so I don't think you can be a bandit in that way.

People will still drop a percentage of gatherable materials and certificates if they don't fight you. In fact people will drop MUCH LESS gatherable materials/certs on death if they fight back in PvP. It'll be more lucrative to a ganker if someone doesn't fight back and they are holding a lot of stuff. Source

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

If you hit an occasional player that won't fight back, you can just wait a short time to let the corruption go away and continue.

Just a small correction here @FuryBladeborne but the only way to get rid of corruption is through death or gaining experience. Source

Right, I forgot. Thank you.

So, if they happen to attack someone that refuses to fight back then most likely all that is needed is to spend a few minutes killing mobs and then continue the player killing spree

Bricktop

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

Bricktop wrote: »

Vashramire wrote: »

There are plenty of opportunities to do open pvp but I don't think you can steal their gear since if they don't fight you, they don't drop anything and any mobs they killed you can't loot so I don't think you can be a bandit in that way.

People will still drop a percentage of gatherable materials and certificates if they don't fight you. In fact people will drop MUCH LESS gatherable materials/certs on death if they fight back in PvP. It'll be more lucrative to a ganker if someone doesn't fight back and they are holding a lot of stuff. Source

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

If you hit an occasional player that won't fight back, you can just wait a short time to let the corruption go away and continue.

Just a small correction here @FuryBladeborne but the only way to get rid of corruption is through death or gaining experience. Source

Right, I forgot. Thank you.

So, if they happen to attack someone that refuses to fight back then most likely all that is needed is to spend a few minutes killing mobs and then continue the player killing spree

Yeah as long as people stay on top of the quest to lower the PK count it shouldn't be a problem unless somebody is killing tons of lowbies like you say.

George_Black

Pass

Nagash

Ring the bell we have another corruption thread

daveywavey

sherka wrote: »

sometime we get gear to gank and have a little fun here and there.we like being bandits. bounty system is ok. but combat stat nerf is too much it makes the game no open world pvp.

It ain't much fun for the players getting ganked though, right?!

insomnia

daveywavey wrote: »

sherka wrote: »

sometime we get gear to gank and have a little fun here and there.we like being bandits. bounty system is ok. but combat stat nerf is too much it makes the game no open world pvp.

It ain't much fun for the players getting ganked though, right?!

You really espect a ganker, especialy one that whines he gets punished for ganking, to think about other people! I wouldn't be surpriced if he was one of those players that can spend hours as a max level playing, just killing low level players

nuro

what we should be trying to disincentivize is ganking players with the power of numbers in atleast some if not all pvp scenarios. In relation to PK'ing though, I think its fair that corruption scales by the level gap between players. That is perfectly logical that a lvl50 versus a lvl 50 should give less to *almost* no corruption.
So in that same logic trail, we can also say that a 10v1 should be punished harsher than a 1v1 for the red player.

I dont know how this could be implemented in all honesty, but looking at it as a goal, I think would serve the players and the devs well. PK players can be a nuisance to the goals of non PK players, which is significantly amplified when there numbers arent culled artificially via punishment. I suggest a different way to cull there numbers so as to keep that balance, and maintain the red playstyle for those that enjoy it, only implementing punishment in those higher number scenarios and after an extended period of PK'ing, dole out possible punishments.. PK's are only a minor inconvenience in ashes as compared to some of the other open world pvp games that have had PK problems to begin with.

Percimes

Yeah but... Look at this scenario.

Team of 2 gankers. One use a lower level alt. The high level one stay out of sight (stealthed or hidden). Low level attack a non-combatant. Non-combatant believe he has a chance since it's 1v1 and fight back, becomes combatant. High level jumps out of the bushes and kills both the lowbie and his hope. Gankers laugh, no penalties.

People who only want uneven/unfair fights for the lulz will always find a ways.

GrinningJack

Game is not meant to be a ''Gank or Kill Box''- Steven Sharif

So if you do not like the fact that ganking will reduce ur stats, then I would recommend to move on and look for a different game.

MrScrewtape

Open world PvP isn't meant to allow constant PvP being a play style. It's been pretty clearly stated that the corruption system is to allow for one-off situations where someone just NEEDs to die

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If you want 100% open world PvP without restrictions, go find another game.

Marcet

I agree, lowering stats is totally anti-fun, Im not even gonna gank people or any of that but I just don't like it, pretty unfair.

Sathrago

Marcet wrote: »

I agree, lowering stats is totally anti-fun, Im not even gonna gank people or any of that but I just don't like it, pretty unfair.

You talk of fairness yet you only gain corruption if you kill players that are non-combatants (people that don't fight back) and this increases the lower the targets level. So buddy, why do you think this is unfair?

Marcet

Sathrago wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

I agree, lowering stats is totally anti-fun, Im not even gonna gank people or any of that but I just don't like it, pretty unfair.

You talk of fairness yet you only gain corruption if you kill players that are non-combatants (people that don't fight back) and this increases the lower the targets level. So buddy, why do you think this is unfair?

Because you directly deny a role in the game, Im not gonna be the "bad guy", but some people wanna take this given role in a Role Playing Game.
So I think they should be prosecuted by the Bounty Hunters, wich is an amazing mechanic and they will be more important and shine if they do their job and dont fight ultra-nerfed people.
I feel the reward doesnt scale with the risk on this one, is more like Risk vs Risk. I prefer that players take care of that and not just a simple stat nerf, that completely denies the role. I stand with Steven on what he decides tho.

I say this as a non ganker. Just want that role to matter.

Sathrago

Marcet wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

I agree, lowering stats is totally anti-fun, Im not even gonna gank people or any of that but I just don't like it, pretty unfair.

You talk of fairness yet you only gain corruption if you kill players that are non-combatants (people that don't fight back) and this increases the lower the targets level. So buddy, why do you think this is unfair?

Because you directly deny a role in the game, Im not gonna be the "bad guy", but some people wanna take this given role in a Role Playing Game.
So I think they should be prosecuted by the Bounty Hunters, wich is an amazing mechanic and they will be more important and shine if they do their job and dont fight ultra-nerfed people.
I feel the reward doesnt scale with the risk on this one, is more like Risk vs Risk. I prefer that players take care of that and not just a simple stat nerf, that completely denies the role. I stand with Steven on what he decides tho.

I say this as a non ganker. Just want that role to matter.

If you kill someone then go do some pve for a while, the effects go away pretty fast. Corruption is not there for players to be straight up punished if you do one bad thing. Its there to gradually punish you if you are being a griefing piece of crap mass murdering your way through an area and this only applies if the targets do not fight back.

It is a risk/reward system that progressively risks more the longer you do bad things. I think this is fair.

Dolyem

@Sathrago Yea you summed it up

Marcet

Yeah but I still prefer to be the players who deal with bad guys, more bounty hunters, or some other community based more organic way to do it, not a disapointing stat nerf. I think bounty hunters among other things would increase in value. It's not that I don't want griefers to get punished, just a more gameplay and comunity based way of doing it.

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