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TomatoLauncher

WIll Controllers be availabe at the game?

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daveywavey

Pretty sure I've seen in a video that they will be. Dunno if it'll be at launch, though.

Damokles

Do you mean a video game controller to play the game, or a specific playstile inside of the game?
If the first: I think so.
If second: Summoner maybe

TomatoLauncher

i mean a gamepad controller

TomatoLauncher

in order to play the game with a gamepad

unknownsystemerror

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Template:Controller_support#:~:text=The%20Ashes%20of%20Creation%20MMO%20is%20not%20designed%20around%20controller%20support.

FuryBladeborne

Your looking at a max of about 30 abilities though. Not sure how your going to make it good to use a controller like that.

Tyrantor

MMOs should never be designed to play on an console/controller much less a phone or tablet. Though Amazon might make their development cost back if they port NW to console lol. 3 abilities, action targeting it's primed for console.

unknownsystemerror

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

Your looking at a max of about 30 abilities though. Not sure how your going to make it good to use a controller like that.

30 available abilities in your archetype. You won't spec into all of them.

FuryBladeborne

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

Your looking at a max of about 30 abilities though. Not sure how your going to make it good to use a controller like that.

30 available abilities in your archetype. You won't spec into all of them.

You could. You just probably won't use all of them since you wouldn't be able to rank up the skills that you like.
"The number of skills on the action bar will be contained (fewer than 30).[12]"
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Skills

As you increase the rank in a skill, it takes away from the max possible. Since you can have 3 ranks per skill, it looks like the total skills on the hotbar will range from about 10 to (fewer than) 30 depending on how much you rank up the skills that you take.

unknownsystemerror

Not the way it is currently set up. You have limited skill points. You have to spend a minimum in each tier to advance to the next tier. From the end of May test that was released from NDA and playing the mage you have to take at least tier 2 in Fireball (10 sp) to unlock the next set of abilities. You unlock the ability to spec into three abilities there. Sure you could take all 3 at tier 1, but that won't get you to the set 3 abilities. You have to choose which you want to advance enough points in to get to the next. So while you could go wide and shallow, you will never unlock the highest tier abilities, thus not having access to those.

Throw in the mechanic that they have repeatedly stated that you will only be able to go 75%/25% either tab/action in your selections, there are plenty of archetype abilities that won't populate your bar out of those available. There are controller mmos out there like ESO and FF14 that have managed to have controller setups with 16-24 options available.

It is entirely doable, and will be seen. In every test I can talk about I have used a controller for movement and basic functions.

daveywavey

Tyrantor wrote: »

MMOs should never be designed to play on an console/controller much less a phone or tablet.

The fact they're allowing for controllers seems to suggest that you're wrong there. I'll never leave my mouse and keyboard, but I know there are players who prefer the controller. I don't see why they should be prevented from playing as they like. I know I'd kick up a fuss if someone tried to stop me using mouse and keyboard.

mrwaffles

@TomatoLauncher I had a buddy in college use a controller for a bunch of stuff I would prefer a mouse and keyboard, but have you ever used a controller on a modern mmo? Just asking because I remember back on the PS2 playing FF11 and it being a terrible experience. So I'm curious how your experiences have been.

TomatoLauncher

I 've played the FFXIV with controller. Played mostly Bard and White Mage and to be honest i preferred it over the mouse and keyboard cause it was more convienient and more relaxing.Personal opionion though.I 've played mmos in the past with mouse and keyboard but i 've sticked with the gamepad the last 4 years.

Blair

I played WOW classic with a controller and I loved it. I played retail, neverwinter, ESO etc there all great with a controller. As for the 30 ability's thing, no one has a 30 button rotation especially when the hot bar only holds 13.

Nagash

TomatoLauncher wrote: »

I 've played the FFXIV with controller. Played mostly Bard and White Mage and to be honest i preferred it over the mouse and keyboard cause it was more convienient and more relaxing.Personal opionion though.I 've played mmos in the past with mouse and keyboard but i 've sticked with the gamepad the last 4 years.

while I agree FFXIV had great controller support but wasn't FFXIV not built around consoles and PC at the same time?

FuryBladeborne

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Not the way it is currently set up. You have limited skill points. You have to spend a minimum in each tier to advance to the next tier. From the end of May test that was released from NDA and playing the mage you have to take at least tier 2 in Fireball (10 sp) to unlock the next set of abilities. You unlock the ability to spec into three abilities there. Sure you could take all 3 at tier 1, but that won't get you to the set 3 abilities. You have to choose which you want to advance enough points in to get to the next. So while you could go wide and shallow, you will never unlock the highest tier abilities, thus not having access to those.

Throw in the mechanic that they have repeatedly stated that you will only be able to go 75%/25% either tab/action in your selections, there are plenty of archetype abilities that won't populate your bar out of those available. There are controller mmos out there like ESO and FF14 that have managed to have controller setups with 16-24 options available.

It is entirely doable, and will be seen. In every test I can talk about I have used a controller for movement and basic functions.

Thank you for the explanation. I can't wait to get into Alpha

FuryBladeborne

Blair wrote: »

I played WOW classic with a controller and I loved it. I played retail, neverwinter, ESO etc there all great with a controller. As for the 30 ability's thing, no one has a 30 button rotation especially when the hot bar only holds 13.

We will be able to do more than 13.
There will be an option to include multiple hotbars (action bars).[5][3]
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Action_bar

Atama

Neverwinter on Xbox worked great with a controller but that was a very action-oriented game, and was clearly optimized for it. This game isn’t being designed for consoles.

Maezriel

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

Your looking at a max of about 30 abilities though. Not sure how your going to make it good to use a controller like that.

When you include all trigger and bumpers as modifiers controllers have easier access to far more hotkeys than a traditional mouse and keyboard setup. Not including MMO mice and Orbweaver like gamepads of course, but most people won't want to shell out the money for those.

Tyrantor wrote: »

MMOs should never be designed to play on an console/controller much less a phone or tablet. Though Amazon might make their development cost back if they port NW to console lol. 3 abilities, action targeting it's primed for console.

I disagree.

Whereas they don't necessarily need to be designed fully around using a controller, all modern games should take steps to be at least casually playable on controllers in order to include those who lack full use of their hands. Not everybody can use a mouse and keyboard and nothing is lost by the Devs ensuring those people have a way to interact w/ the game.

Noaani

Maezriel wrote: »

I disagree.

I disagree.

Developers should develop the game and gameplay to be as they want it. At that point - and no sooner - they should look and see if that gameplay is compatible with a controller.

If it is compatible, then they should go to the effort of making it work. If the gameplay is not compatible, they should not put that effort in.

Basically, games shouldn't be designed around a need to have controller support - but should have it if it makes sense when the gameplay is developed.

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