Consumables

Please for the love of all that's good do NOT make consumables powerful, or they will completely dominated every META.

Food, OK. Status effect removers? OK.

But do not make an endless list of potions that buff every stat imaginable for some period of time. It's another giant layer of arbitrary non-intuitive nonsense for people to learn about, and another checklist of chores that elite guilds are all going to require for their members to participate in.

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Damokles

If I want to get high off of potions and one handedly tank a worldboss under the influence of 30 of them at the same time, then let me do so.
I would even accept a death debuff that I would die after the potion effects run out.

Bricktop

I like having various consumables to run if you are wealthy enough to do so.

Sathrago

Having useful consumables is guaranteed since they are emphasizing the player economy as a major focus of the game.

Whether they are OP or not will most likely be subjective since anyone with coin can purchase and use them.

Warth

I'd like a Witcher3-like toxcicity system, that ramps up a bar. Exceeding the maximum toxcicity level would give you a debuff.

This would essentially limit how much you can dope and also provide the means of balancing certain potions better through making them have a higher/lower toxicity penalty. That's how you can have varying strengths of buff potions being relevant instead of people always picking the best 3 potions for their potion slot.

Damokles

Warth wrote: »

I'd like a Witcher3-like toxcicity system, that ramps up a bar. Exceeding the maximum toxcicity level would give you a debuff.

This would essentially limit how much you can dope and also provide the means of balancing certain potions better through making them have a higher/lower toxicity penalty. That's how you can have varying strengths of buff potions being relevant instead of people always picking the best 3 potions for their potion slot.

YES!

CROW3

Warth wrote: »

I'd like a Witcher3-like toxcicity system, that ramps up a bar. Exceeding the maximum toxcicity level would give you a debuff.

This would essentially limit how much you can dope and also provide the means of balancing certain potions better through making them have a higher/lower toxicity penalty. That's how you can have varying strengths of buff potions being relevant instead of people always picking the best 3 potions for their potion slot.

I was literally thinking this exact thing as I read the posts above. It’s a cool way to balance overpowering potions, but still having the ability to pot at specific times to maximize damage, resistance, etc - while taking on some risk of stacking.

Lore Dynamic

I like the toxicity idea as well. Clever way to control how many potions one can quaff.

Additionally, it might be fun to have a "comedown" effect that debuffs the player after the buffing effects have worn off. Similar to a hangover for someone who drinks to much alcohol at a Tavern's bar.

Rem_

I feel like consumables give another layer of skill expression. If a player can handle using them mid combat to get rid of debuffs and such I think that's cool

Xez

Poko wrote: »

I feel like consumables give another layer of skill expression. If a player can handle using them mid combat to get rid of debuffs and such I think that's cool

Using a consumable is not "skill". All it does is add another layer of complexity to the game that is totally arbitrary.

Until you do the research and look at every possible potion, it's effects, how much it costs to buy or how much to farm the ingredients, you could be completely wasting your time and/or money doing a completely inferior strategy for something. That is the sort of complexity I absolutely HATE. Complexity that is just THERE for the sake of being there. Categories of things that a new player of a game might COMPLETELY be oblivious to because it is NOT something that is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS and LOGICAL and INTEGRAL to the base mechanic of the game, which is actually COMBAT.

The game needs to be built around the COMBAT and built UP from there. This is the ENTIRE problem with virtually every modern game's design, ESPECIALLY MMO's. Everything is built from the TOP DOWN instead of BOTTOM UP. Designers have all these ideas they want to throw into a game before they've even started writing a single line of code.

Warth

@Xez
active potions certainly do add another layer of skill expression, especially in game with slow combat/low input gameplay. Buff-potions not so much, but things like CC-Break Potions, WoW-Classic Grenades, heavy damage mitigation, that is just a few seconds long do...

I'm just not sure if the potions are the correct outlet to implement such a thing or if you'd rather do that through trinkets and similar items.

daveywavey

Why would you NOT do a little research INTO the game you're playing to TRY and find out which potions WOULD suit you best? Assuming that you have a finite NUMBER of hours of gameplay PER week, you don't WANT to waste them on a suboptimal strategy, so you PUT a little effort in at THE start to try and find some good TECHNIQUES that will help make the most of your game TIME.

You know WHAT, this capitals thing is FUN! HahaHAhaHA!

George_Black

I am not big on combat consumables as well.
I like the normal healing potions that you use to keep going, I like the foodbuff that you eat before you head out, maybe some emergency MP pots with high cooldown and a bit on the expensive side.

I much rather leave the empowering to support classes than consumables.

Nagash

daveywavey wrote: »

Why would you NOT do a little research INTO the game you're playing to TRY and find out which potions WOULD suit you best? Assuming that you have a finite NUMBER of hours of gameplay PER week, you don't WANT to waste them on a suboptimal strategy, so you PUT a little effort in at THE start to try and find some good TECHNIQUES that will help make the most of your game TIME.

You know WHAT, this capitals thing is FUN! HahaHAhaHA!

I ask myself that every day

Xez

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

Keeping that sort of thing to an absolute minimal and just letting the player's skill, gear, and abilities do the talking is best...

Sathrago

Xez wrote: »

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

Keeping that sort of thing to an absolute minimal and just letting the player's skill, gear, and abilities do the talking is best...

Properly preparing for various situations is a skill. Gaining wealth and knowing what to buy is a skill.

Just because it's a temporary benefit doesnt mean it's any less of a choice than what weapon you use or armor you wear. Its just another variable that anyone can access.

daveywavey

Xez wrote: »

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

Keeping that sort of thing to an absolute minimal and just letting the player's skill, gear, and abilities do the talking is best...

LOL

Xez

daveywavey wrote: »

Xez wrote: »

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

Keeping that sort of thing to an absolute minimal and just letting the player's skill, gear, and abilities do the talking is best...

LOL

Such a well reasoned thoughtful retort to my argument. At least the poster above actually replied with some semblance of logic even if I disagree with it.

Fundamentally it comes down to this: What is the fundamental BENEFIT of having a high amount of player power variability being linked to TEMPORARY items that can be bought with gold or crafted/farmed?? Isn't GEAR enough?

First off, NOBODY likes dealing with and using temporary items. They are a headache to just deal with and keep in mind when factoring in every possible situation, they clog up your inventory, once you use them you know you never get to again so you're always incentivized to NOT use them as long as possible.

2ndly, I don't like the idea of people being able to boost their character power just by SPENDING MORE GOLD. On equipment? Sure, ok, that's just a necessity and obvious and what the entire game is basically about. Buy why then extend that to TEMPORARY items? What is the REASON that they need to exist.

I've yet to see a single person argue against one of the first points I made that guilds are going to REQUIRE their members to farm things just to participate in events. And oh boy, I'm sure everyone is just a HUGE fan of that idea.

In PvP why would you want someone to be able to beat you just because they have more gold to spend on consumables ??

In PvE why would you want people to be able to have an advantage in everything just because they have more gold to spend??

PlagueMonk

daveywavey wrote: »

Why would you NOT do a little research INTO the game you're playing to TRY and find out which potions WOULD suit you best? Assuming that you have a finite NUMBER of hours of gameplay PER week, you don't WANT to waste them on a suboptimal strategy, so you PUT a little effort in at THE start to try and find some good TECHNIQUES that will help make the most of your game TIME.

You know WHAT, this capitals thing is FUN! HahaHAhaHA!

Now try talking like that (accentuating things you have put in all capitals). You will sound like a crazy person

I do agree with the OP though, I do not want to be forced into investing in 6 potions that I have to be continually consuming just to be competitive with the 'L33t' crowd. Inversely this means if I am not using them it puts me at a distinct advantage.

I don't mind a couple but please lets not get ridiculous.

daveywavey

Xez wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Xez wrote: »

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

LOL

Such a well reasoned thoughtful retort to my argument. At least the poster above actually replied with some semblance of logic even if I disagree with it.

When you're claiming that in-game potions are Pay To Win, "LOL" is pretty much the only response.

Once you get a reasoned thoughtful argument, you can expect a reasoned thoughtful answer!

Xez

daveywavey wrote: »

Xez wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Xez wrote: »

I think I just realized why I detest them so much: they are basically a form of pay to win. Yea, paying with in-game gold or whatever, but still.

LOL

Such a well reasoned thoughtful retort to my argument. At least the poster above actually replied with some semblance of logic even if I disagree with it.

When you're claiming that in-game potions are Pay To Win, "LOL" is pretty much the only response.

Once you get a reasoned thoughtful argument, you can expect a reasoned thoughtful answer!

No, you're just an asshat with no argument, get out of here if you don't have anything constructive to say.

I did reason out several arguments.

The devs admit there is no way they can possibly stop all RMT, so this IS actually a matter of "pay to win" under the commonly accepted definition which you're "LOL" at me was based on. That was something that is SO OBVIOUS I thought that didn't even have to be said, but for dense morons like you I guess I have to spell that out.

But even with that completely aside, what about my actual POINT, which is that it is literally just BUYING TEMPORARY POWER for your character with GOLD. Why is that a POSITIVE thing to have in a game

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