Griefing the flagging system, and a solution.

Scenario:

Guild 1 and Guild 2 are having a big open world PvP fight. 80 Players in the same area with damage and healing going all over the place.

50% of Griefing Guild 3 joints the battle naked flagged as Green, while Guild 1 and 2 are flagged as Purple. Their mission is to not heal each other to get flagged Purple themselves, but to run into the fight to get people in Guild 1 and 2 flagged Red.

Once enough players are flagged Red, the rest of the Griefing Guild 3 joins the battle and strategically picks off those flagged Red players to get free loot without much penalty.

Solution:
We know the game have systems to track player movement and actions through the node system. A solution to this would be to also track damage to make a heat-map for the world. If a Green player enters an area that have a lot of damage going on between two guilds, they are flagged as Purple as entering the battle, and can not grief by purposely dying while not fighting back to flag people Red.

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Nagash

Corruption thread number 79

Warth

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

oophus

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

Percimes

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

He's making a list, he's checking it twice!
Nagash is coming to the... graveyard.

Nagash

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

nope just keeping count

Warth

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

if people hit greens with single target/targeted spells, then its their own fault, no matter how frantic the fight is.

Talents

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Definition:Forced_attack

Definition: Forced attack

A forced attack in Ashes of Creation is when a player presses Control-F before they attack, or they hold Control or Alt while they attack another non-corrupt player. This allows their attacks to be registered against that player. If the attacker is flagged as a non-combatant (green), they will become a combatant (purple) when their attack hits the other player.[1]

Pressing control-F on its own does not flag a player as a combatant. They must land a hit on a non-corrupt player in order to be flagged as a combatant.[1]

oophus

Nagash wrote: »

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

nope just keeping count

Do that in an exel sheet on your own, or keep track in your head for whatever. Don't spam threads with it.

oophus

Warth wrote: »

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

if people hit greens with single target/targeted spells, then its their own fault, no matter how frantic the fight is.

Some spells take time to hit the target. Animations also play out if its released. I can perfectly be the person I'm talking about if I end up learning that there is money to be made here. Just follow Twitter and search for PvP encounters in progress, and join the fight with my guild. Get them tagged, and kill them later.

Nagash

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

oophus wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Corruption thread number 79

What? Are you trolling?

Warth wrote: »

AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to.

Guild 1 & 2 could also simply declare a war on each other to prevent the problem altogether.

What if Guild 1 & 2 normally don't fight eachother but fight over resources? A World Boss might as well be a good reason to fight.

Not sure what you mean about "AoE's don't hit greens if you don't want them to" though? In either way, Greens can just run around in the frantic fight hoping to get hit. Get hit enough and someone will kill the Green after a while.

nope just keeping count

Do that in an exel sheet on your own, or keep track in your head for whatever. Don't spam threads with it.

well stop making the same posts its really not that hard to use search

oophus

I found the "flag" button. More comments that are not touching the topic at hand will be reported.

George_Black

Valid concerns, but there is a recent topic by me on this issue.

Action combat and the corruption system is a new concept. It used to be only tab target with corruption in L2.
I hope they will address how to target greens and how not to target greens on various scenarios.

perseus01

*Edit for fart*

Nagash

oophus wrote: »

I found the "flag" button. More comments that are not touching the topic at hand will be reported.

congrats. and here are some of the threads

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/47507/corruption-and-prison-time

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/264381#Comment_264381

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/257969#Comment_257969

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/47038/question-about-the-corruption-system

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/46957/corruption-debuff-idea/p1

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/46391/the-issue-with-corruption-how-to-fix/p1

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/47379/never-a-more-wretched-hive-of-scum-and-villainy-should-devs-show-some-love-to-corrupted-players/p1

oophus

Point me to the thread that is addressing my situation and at the same time provides a possible solution. Thanks.

oophus

George Black wrote: »

Valid concerns, but there is a recent topic by me on this issue.

Action combat and the corruption system is a new concept. It used to be only tab target with corruption in L2.
I hope they will address how to target greens and how not to target greens on various scenarios.

Thanks for actually discussing the topic!

Action combat means that the game utilizes hit detection. This will be griefable, and I will be one of the guys doing it if its worth it. I'm just pointing out the obvious and hope the devs find a way to combat it. My idea would work, and I think they collect this data anyway from before.

Its like if you enter an area with a Caravan. You have to state your purpose. The same would be true for a "RED" area in a heatmap based on damage done/taken. State your purpose, and if the Green picks to stay Green, then they don't take damage from the guys who made the red area in the first place.

Nagash

1. try using search
2. here you go https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/47266/ashes-crash-course-pvp-themes-vs-flagging-whats-the-difference
3. the system the devs have already solve this

George_Black

oophus wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Valid concerns, but there is a recent topic by me on this issue.

Action combat and the corruption system is a new concept. It used to be only tab target with corruption in L2.
I hope they will address how to target greens and how not to target greens on various scenarios.

Thanks for actually discussing the topic!

Action combat means that the game utilizes hit detection. This will be griefable, and I will be one of the guys doing it if its worth it. I'm just pointing out the obvious and hope the devs find a way to combat it. My idea would work, and I think they collect this data anyway from before.

Its like if you enter an area with a Caravan. You have to state your purpose. The same would be true for a "RED" area in a heatmap based on damage done/taken. State your purpose, and if the Green picks to stay Green, then they don't take damage from the guys who made the red area in the first place.

One way of combating this problem would be the addition of /force Red toggle, which would enable your ALL your abilities to damage a green player that you have on your TAB target and nobody else.

oophus

Nagash wrote: »

1. try using search
2. here you go https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/47266/ashes-crash-course-pvp-themes-vs-flagging-whats-the-difference
3. the system the devs have already solve this

Can you point me to a timestamp? He didn't address this as far as I'm aware of, but I shifted quickly through it, as I've read and heard those things before. I've seen a ton of videos and have a good grasp of the flagging system.

This game have an "action based" part of its combat system. That means projectiles go straight, and damage have an arc to them, with animation that will go 100% from start to finish with its projected frames for that animation. Throughout that time, a Green player will be able to get hit to lose HP. And if he does this enough times in a frantic PvP fight, he may be able to get killed and thus flag someone as being Red.

oophus

George Black wrote: »

oophus wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Valid concerns, but there is a recent topic by me on this issue.

Action combat and the corruption system is a new concept. It used to be only tab target with corruption in L2.
I hope they will address how to target greens and how not to target greens on various scenarios.

Thanks for actually discussing the topic!

Action combat means that the game utilizes hit detection. This will be griefable, and I will be one of the guys doing it if its worth it. I'm just pointing out the obvious and hope the devs find a way to combat it. My idea would work, and I think they collect this data anyway from before.

Its like if you enter an area with a Caravan. You have to state your purpose. The same would be true for a "RED" area in a heatmap based on damage done/taken. State your purpose, and if the Green picks to stay Green, then they don't take damage from the guys who made the red area in the first place.

One way of combating this problem would be the addition of /force Red toggle, which would enable your ALL your abilities to damage a green player that you have on your TAB target and nobody else.

This would wreck havok on balance, since the game is balanced around mass PvP, with arcing swings in melee, and AoE plus abilities that may pierce.

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