Character creation question

Since voice acting is minimal I assume that picking characters gender in cc will simply switch the way npcs address you and such through text. So I was wondering if it would be possible to introduce pick your gender/pronouns button instead of it defaulting automatically to the bodytype you pick?

I don't believe this would introduce too much additional work for the coding but would mean a lot to queer players. Thank you in advance!

Ps: if you are as a player isn't interested in this you can make a masculine looking character and pick "man" or vice versa without losing anything because it was added.

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FutureCultLeader

i don't recall any rpg that asked you to pick a gender before. afaik its been male or female the entire time. surely, you can RP around gender at no cost to devs?

Ferni

I'm not sure about be able to pick your gender/pronouns but as far as I know through adjustments you will be able to make your character look more masculine or more femenine, so maybe you can do something with that? (Source: Character creator wiki)

Also if you check info about marriage system in the Wiki it says they have no plans for gender neutral pronouns however they allow same gender marriage.

Biccus

I don’t think the character sheet shows gender so having a tick box in the creator would seem a little unnecessary. You build your character based on a male or a female model.

Vhaeyne

FutureCultLeader wrote: »

i don't recall any rpg that asked you to pick a gender before. afaik its been male or female the entire time. surely, you can RP around gender at no cost to devs?

That horse shit awful battletech game that came out a year or so ago used pronouns instead of gender... As you can probably imagine they went out of their way to have a very fast and loose take on the source material.

Riessene

FutureCultLeader wrote: »

i don't recall any rpg that asked you to pick a gender before. afaik its been male or female the entire time

Those... ARE.....genders.

And of course I can rp it and I do because its rarely done. Why do you think it would have a significant cost in development? I'm not talking about any cosmetic changes just text based pronouns/addressing/titles. Nothing new is added it just lets you set you yourself.

Riessene

Ferni wrote: »

I'm not sure about be able to pick your gender/pronouns but as far as I know through adjustments you will be able to make your character look more masculine or more femenine, so maybe you can do something with that? (Source: Character creator wiki)

Also if you check info about marriage system in the Wiki it says they have no plans for gender neutral pronouns however they allow same gender marriage.

I know about all of those and I'm very happy about same gender marriage (tbh if they didn't have it I would be very surprised) and I'm just as excited to be able to play in cc to make my characters look a certain way. A bit bummed out about no neutral pronouns but that's not surprising in an AAA game and I wasn't hoping for that. I do play a lot of indies where its possible so thats that.

Talents

This has been answered before and there will only be Male and Female as well as only he/her pronouns..

tautau

But, just like in the 'real' world, we can ask our friends to use the pronouns that we prefer. If they really are friends, they will be glad to.

I wonder if the character creator will have sufficient flexibility to accomplish what is wanted. For example, create a short, slender male with long hair and a feminine face. Or the large, muscular buzz cut female. I bet one could accomplish that if you worked at it.

Biccus

Riessene wrote: »

Those... ARE.....genders.

I’m not interested in learning the “correct” sex based terminology for dwarves, elves, orcs and Tulnar. Nor should I be forced to for political correctness.

Male and female is easy enough for me.

Vhaeyne

Biccus wrote: »

Riessene wrote: »

Those... ARE.....genders.

I’m not interested in learning the “correct” sex based terminology for dwarves, elves, orcs and Tulnar. Nor should I be forced to for political correctness.

Male and female is easy enough for me.

For Tulnar the pronouns are (was/were).

Tenaciel

Why is this even important? I can't understand...who in the world wants to running around roleplaying as a transgender orc?!

FutureCultLeader

Tenaciel wrote: »

Why is this even important? I can't understand...who in the world wants to running around roleplaying as a transgender orc?!

It's not important, it's just causing inconvenience for the sake of feeling important.

JamesSunderland

IDK this seems quite meaningless and unnecessary extra work, i don't think there is enough incentive to do such, and it certainly doesn't seem like something important to consider.

Handsome Jakx

JamesSunderland wrote: »

IDK this seems quite meaningless and unnecessary extra work, i don't think there is enough incentive to do such, and it certainly doesn't seem like something important to consider.

While this does not effect me, In the same forum we are speaking of using general area highlights on a minimap, in which afew people speak of it ruining thier immersion in the game.

If we are concerned about game immersion then this seems like an essential for some people. It is non consequential and has no real effect in the game but it may be important to those it effects

Vhaeyne

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

While this does not effect me, In the same forum we are speaking of using general area highlights on a minimal, in which c afew people speak of it ruining thier immersion in the game.

If we are concerned about game immersion then this seems like an essential for some people. It is non consequential and has no real effect in the game but it may be important to those it effects

If someone was honestly trying to role play a female. They would make a female character. Not a male character with the pronouns: (Her/She) and, visa versa.

Reading any more into it sadly just makes this a political discussion with no real winners when it should be a philosophical discussion with no real answers.

Handsome Jakx

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

While this does not effect me, In the same forum we are speaking of using general area highlights on a minimal, in which c afew people speak of it ruining thier immersion in the game.

If we are concerned about game immersion then this seems like an essential for some people. It is non consequential and has no real effect in the game but it may be important to those it effects

If someone was honestly trying to role play a female. They would make a female character. Not a male character with the pronouns: (Her/She) and, visa versa.

Reading any more into it sadly just makes this a political discussion with no real winners when it should be a philosophical discussion with no real answers.

Agreed. Also a moot (ehem) discussion according to what was posted in the wiki regarding gender neutrality.

Riessene

...yall ran full speed to make a tiny character creation gameplay point that would affect nothing for you all about yourselves and how you view other people and what they would want. Alright.

Biccus

Riessene wrote: »

...yall ran full speed to make a tiny character creation gameplay point that would affect nothing for you all about yourselves and how you view other people and what they would want. Alright.

No. I just don’t need a tick box to tell myself what I’m playing as. I don’t think anyone else would or even should care about the gender I’m playing.

Have faith that the character creator will be good enough to build the character you want to play as.

Nagash

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Biccus wrote: »

Riessene wrote: »

Those... ARE.....genders.

I’m not interested in learning the “correct” sex based terminology for dwarves, elves, orcs and Tulnar. Nor should I be forced to for political correctness.

Male and female is easy enough for me.

For Tulnar the pronouns are (was/were).

Funny Skeletons are the same

JamesSunderland

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

IDK this seems quite meaningless and unnecessary extra work, i don't think there is enough incentive to do such, and it certainly doesn't seem like something important to consider.

While this does not effect me, In the same forum we are speaking of using general area highlights on a minimap, in which afew people speak of it ruining thier immersion in the game.

If we are concerned about game immersion then this seems like an essential for some people. It is non consequential and has no real effect in the game but it may be important to those it effects

I'm not sure if those 2 arguments for immersion are on equal footing as a minimap with highlights has true in-game relevance , and as i'm not very concerned or into immersion drama.
Even tho i do acknowledge that it may be important to some people i would be interested to know by how many. Because for the vast majority it seems to be quite unreasonable and irrelevant.

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