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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    halbarz wrote: »
    Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

    On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

    agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

    I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

    You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention
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  • Nagash wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    halbarz wrote: »
    Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

    On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

    agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

    I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

    You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention

    Ainz Ool Gown walked into a church once. xD
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

    The WoW fanbase has 2 dividing fanbases within them. The hardcore fanbase who quit during Burning Crusade. They wanted a real challenge and the game didn't provide one so they left.

    Then there is the casual fanbase that is the majority of their fanbase to this day who swears WoW is the best thing since sliced bread. They usually never played another MMO before so they got rose tinted vision for everything related to the game.
    LMAO
    Is it possible to be more biased??
    I am a casual-challenge player. I quit WoW after Cataclysm.
    Quitting has little to do with wanting a real challenge and everything to do with the game feeling like the same 5 quests just with different skins and flavor text. And it's play through new content in 6 weeks or less and then repeat dungeons and raids over and over and over again for 2+ years while waiting for the next expansion.
    WoW is way too themepark.

    As a casual-challenge player, I will, of course, say that it's the hardcore-challenge players who are toxic.
    Casual-challenge players are too casual to be toxic.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    halbarz wrote: »
    Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

    On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

    agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

    I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

    You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention

    Ainz Ool Gown walked into a church once. xD

    touche
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  • edited May 2021
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »

    True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

    Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy :)

    Graybeard games as well. That one is by the former lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2 David Brevik. While he's not doing a whole lot now he might make another game worth noting in the future. It Lurks Below is ok, but I don't like it as much as his older games. xD

    oh, I was unaware of Graybeard. I'll check it out. I do know one of the devs who worked on the original Diablo I and II? made path of exile. Diablo 3 was a mistake if you ask me and Diablo 4 is what diablo 3 should have been several years ago.

    I don't know what to think of Diablo 4. The skill design is too similar to Diablo 3 so far for me. Diablo 3 combat was ok, but everything else wasn't even an rpg. xD I don't really like PoE 1, but PoE 2 looks a lot more promising. I just wish PoE organized the games systems a bit more and not had so many remnants of previous systems garbage still in the game.

    David Brevik is why the older Diablo games were so organized and flowed so well. I wish he worked with one of the many companies other former members of Blizzard North joined after Hellgate London. Torchlight had 2 former members of Blizzard North, but I'm pretty sure they did the loot design so the game doesn't play as well as other ARPGS.

    Diablo IV does reminds me of a re-skinned Diablo III with simpler designs around Offence and Defence instead of multiple stats. You just focus your points around two attributes now. All they had to do for Diablo III was make it more like Diablo II with Diablo I dark lore and aesthetics.

    Diablo III took a bright and colourful adventurous path many were displeased about. Not only that, months after launch they changed the game's Magic find system and replaced it with endless Paragon leveling so it just became and endless scaling grind between gear and monsters where your gear was relatively equivalent to the mobs you wanted to combat against.

    Games need that gap between player gear, skill and monsters/mobs that supply that level of challenging content which gives the effect of a "harder" difficulty instead of which step on the ladder you are at which has no real relevance to skill versus time invested. It's why I find the mythic content in WoW relatively boring because WoW is turning into Diablo III, except more focused around some group play for now.

    But I will definitely keep an eye on Graybeard!
  • @Nagash if you don’t want wow players to play This game then you might want to tell Steven to stop interviewing with top WoW streamers? And let’s not generalize the WoW community there are a lot of good people who play the game. I’d be happy to bring them on board this game to play with.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Daedrik45 wrote: »
    @Nagash if you don’t want wow players to play This game then you might want to tell Steven to stop interviewing with top WoW streamers? And let’s not generalize the WoW community there are a lot of good people who play the game. I’d be happy to bring them on board this game to play with.

    I have no problem with WoW players I have a problem with stupid people its just a shame the WoW fan base has so many
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  • ShoelidShoelid Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Daedrik45 wrote: »
    Blizzard entertainment has decided to piss off a majority of its player base by releasing there Burning Crusade Classic launch on June 1st 2021, ironically the same day as you guys start the Alpha 1 test. Just sit back Steven and let blizzard feed you players for your game. Be a beacon for these lost souls, be the light guiding them home.

    You have popped up on there radar, they can’t afford to have there streamers on your alpha and not on there game hyping The Burning crusade classic release. And in there insecurity bad decisions are being made and the community is very upset. I hope you can take this opportunity and use alpha one to show them that hope is on the horizon.

    Again, Thanks INTREPID STUDIOS!!

    Definitely pissed off a lot of their fanbase, but the only WoW players who are going to leave because of this are the ones who were waiting for a reason to leave. If you want Ashes of Creation to get lots of coverage, this is pretty bad news IMO. Think what you want about Asmongold, but he does have 50k people who would watch anything he does. This release date means that he'll be playing TBC instead of anything AOC
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The Whole TBC release date drop in relation to the retail patch schedule when AOC NDA free alpha 1 testing is placed into the picture iS clearly an Activision bigwig power play. They want to see how Intrepid will react.
    Whether this is true or not does not matter this is the current situation.

    Activision is flexing. Nostalgia hit with a $140 meal ticket.

    The best response from Intrepid is to just ignore and continue self focus. Make the best Alpha test phase they possibly can and just show confidence in their product while also showing appreciation to the PLAYERS...

    The Streamers impacted by this will have to face their own sense of self entitlement, Majority of which have never seen any love from Activision but are addicted to the game* they have invested time and energy into.

    Kudos Intrepid you are making a difference in the MMO space...Don't fumble it now.



  • JaymaJayma Member
    Honnestly, i think it have nothing to do with Aoc (it still an early alpha with a very expensive entry ticket). Eventually with the new ESO extension.

    SL update will probably release in July and they do'nt want to canibilize them-self too much. The retail game is in the longer content drought since the start of the game.
    BC will give to some retail players a bit of content in the waiting room.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It probably isn't a direct move. But either way Indirectly the time lines have now verged. So comparisons are going to be made.

    AOC just needs to play smooth operator...calm cool and collected.
  • SaeduSaedu Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Nagash wrote: »
    Daedrik45 wrote: »
    @Nagash if you don’t want wow players to play This game then you might want to tell Steven to stop interviewing with top WoW streamers? And let’s not generalize the WoW community there are a lot of good people who play the game. I’d be happy to bring them on board this game to play with.

    I have no problem with WoW players I have a problem with stupid people its just a shame the WoW fan base has so many


    Kinda ironic that there is all this anti-wow stereotyping going on in this thread. Ive played with hundreds if not thousands of non-toxic people in WoW (much more than toxic).

    I'd say it would be toxic to judge/assume another person like this. Every game has nice players and toxic players. Toxicity and niceness can also be at any level of gameplay from super casual to highly competitive.

    Too much of this anti-wow culture in AoC community could drive away the non-toxic WoW players (but probably not the toxic ones as they would be attracted to that type of community).

    When June 1 rolls around I'll be in the AoC alpha. I've already lived enough of the burning crusade for one lifetime :)
  • Considering I wasn't allowed to use the party chat for the last 5 years in WoW because of people being anti social. I doubt those non toxic players actually exist. If they do it's probably on the RP servers. xD
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    I don't think WoW players will be dropping $500 to test the Alpha.
    They will be watching YouTube vids of Ashes gameplay anyway, since there is no NDA.
    I have a feeling that the Ashes Alpha is not going to be more enticing than TBC re-launch.

    Having June 1 as a common date is irrelevant.
  • SaeduSaedu Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Dygz wrote: »
    I don't think WoW players will be dropping $500 to test the Alpha.
    They will be watching YouTube vids of Ashes gameplay anyway, since there is no NDA.
    I have a feeling that the Ashes Alpha is not going to be more enticing than TBC re-launch.

    Having June 1 as a common date is irrelevant.

    I play WoW and I dropped the 500 to do AoC alpha.

    There are a lot of players out there who have no/little desire to go back and replay classic WoW.
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Right. But that has nothing to do with TBC v Ashes.
    The people who drop $500 on Ashes will do so regardless of TBC.
    They aren't going to be eager to play TBC and then see the Ashes Alpha and be all, "Never mind! What was I thinking! The Ashes Alpha is soooooo much better than TBC!! I gott drop $500 on the Alpha today, Jun 1!!"
    That's my point.
  • I love my warlock, its honestly the only character I ever truly spent time and effort on for the past 14 years. But I stopped playing the game as a "hardcore" pvper in cata, and pver in MoP. Since then you can just label me as a casual pvper. I wish the game was better, but pretty much all my hope for the game is gone. This new TBC crap is making that even worse.
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  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited May 2021
    Not really about players having to choose between either (I am not counting the $500 pre alpha resale as tantamount to game release, If people want to pay to alpha test given the knowledge of what thier purchasing the onus is on them). I think it's more of a public perception product image ploy. Many Classic players now feel pressured to spend as they have had time cut short to prepare their OG classic characters for TBC transfer many players felt the TBC launch would be and the end of June...not even taking into account that egregious monetization incentives involved.

    Activision being Activision is a guarantee...I think they are just milking a dying cash cow now while they can.

    If anything i think Intrepid has been given a huge opportunity to capture and accommodate an amount of even more disenfranchised MMO players than ever before.

    I think this could be a massive overreach and backfire potential on Activisions part.

    I Don't consider Blizzard to exists anymore by the way, just a puppet naming front.

    Nurture a grape vine now and enjoy the fine vintage later on.
  • AsgerrAsgerr Member, Alpha Two
    It certainly seems like a bit of a perfect storm.

    Though I doubt anyone who was going to play TBC, isn't going to play TBC on account of its release date or price etc, it does help AoC in one specific way.

    Often enough, a player disenfranchising himself from a particular game -- because of the developer/publisher practices etc -- will tend to go look for something similar to his now departed game, to play in the future.

    I don't expect people to drop 500 credits of wherever you're from, to play an alpha, but it will certainly help get eyeballs on the project. And with the NDA lifting and more content coming out on platforms such as Youtube, I would expect the number of interested people to grow significantly.

    Something like this non NDA Alpha 1, at this time, and in opposition to a disastrous WoW situation, might just bump the number of people aware of AoC by nearly double the current base.

    More people interested > more people buying cosmetics > more money for IS > more people hired > better salaries perhaps > better and more content developed for it > more people interested in the game > more players at launch > longer lifespan for the game > better for all of us
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  • MerekMerek Member
    Nagash wrote: »
    I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

    They remind me of the 40yr old guys that still talk about Highschool because it was when they peaked. If it isn't a carbon copy of WoW, they won't be happy. They want to relive their glory days and it just won't happen. But, luckily for them, this game is shaping up to be more and more inline with the average tab-target MMO.
  • maouwmaouw Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    tbh I think the hate on WoW players is a bit harsh.

    I will withold my judgements and observe.
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  • JaymaJayma Member
    edited May 2021
    Dygz wrote: »
    I don't think WoW players will be dropping $500 to test the Alpha.
    They will be watching YouTube vids of Ashes gameplay anyway, since there is no NDA.
    I have a feeling that the Ashes Alpha is not going to be more enticing than TBC re-launch.
    Like most of the people that have an eye AoC, regardless the game they current play or have played in the past.
    500$ is still a sum that count for a lot of people (included me) to risk it in a game they may finally don't like.
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    maouw wrote: »
    tbh I think the hate on WoW players is a bit harsh.

    I will withold my judgements and observe.

    That's fair. I just have a bad feeling that's all
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  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The only entity that seems to 'hate' WoW players is Activision. The players themselves behave more like drug addicts than healthy gamers...It's not really a fault of their own they got hooked on the good stuff and overtime they've been getting diminishing returns and are now in the sorry state of begging the dealer whos not interested. That sort of contempt eventuates into toxicity and withdrawals. Its not a healthy relationship its tantamount to abuse, But the active players need to come to terms with their own participation effects and take some responsibility for the outcomes.

    Looking at MMOs as a drug outlet isn't healthy either but that's the state of the industry with all the manipulation and exploitation that's happened over the last 20 years.

    But I digress from the OP. Intrepid seems to be getting an open runway all they have to do is land the plane.
  • BlastBlast Member, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Yeah i saw this all over socials, i for one welcome all the wow refuges!
  • Wandering MistWandering Mist Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Asgerr wrote: »
    Nagash wrote: »
    halbarz wrote: »
    Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

    On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

    agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

    I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

    The same could be said of any player who only plays a single game. The reason why WoW stands out here is because so many people that play WoW only because of sunk cost fallacy or operant conditioning.
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