AOC content already no longer obtainable

The fact that before the game even has launched there is already content that is no longer obtainable is mind boggling. One of the biggest reasons wow classic became popular was because people wanted a way to do content that was removed with cata. The fact that your game hasn’t even come out yet and you’ve already made certain cosmetic sets and mounts no longer obtainable is such a massive stain on this game. Any completionist who had the slightest interest in this game is now turned off. Someone needs to seriously ask Sharif what on Earth he is thinking by doing this. It is NEVER okay to remove content from a game thus depriving any future players of a complete experience. I suggest these cosmetics are added back into the game.

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Daggial

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Daggial wrote: »

Intrepid is missing out on a lot of sales because of this. I would gladly spend money for previous packs if I could. Pretty sure it's the same for many other people.

You would gladly devalue other people's past support rewards and Intrepid's integrity.

You are asking Intrepid to break a long-standing promise to its fans.

When players find out that Intrepid word is not worth shit. They will be missing out on "a lot of" sales.

JustVine

My only actual compromise desire relative to their fomo design is they let players who buy packs have a guarantee they can buy any (or even just an explicitly defined category) of items in later pack content with their embers on release. Currently their design is ambiguous relative to what you will be later able to buy and have no way to deduct embers immediately (which is understandable given its alpha and payment systems are beta material.) The lack of clarity of what you can buy later as a supporter is my main issue.

Daggial

if i buy the current version of a package, will i be able to swap it with a future one?
not talking about the type of package, but the cosmetics in it

JustVine

That would distort their metrics and be extra work. If you don't want the current cosmetics then wait.

Noaani

Daggial wrote: »

if i buy the current version of a package, will i be able to swap it with a future one?
not talking about the type of package, but the cosmetics in it

If you buy the current pack and one comes out later that you like the cosmetics of, you can purchase the individual items that you like, but only the item types that were in the pack you bought.

Conrad

Intrepid just made bad decisions in case of cosmetics. They simply should have not made it monthly. Tbh, I doubt people would be mad if they apologised for making cosmetics phase wide availability due to popular demand.

Noaani

Conrad wrote: »

Intrepid just made bad decisions in case of cosmetics. They simply should have not made it monthly. Tbh, I doubt people would be mad if they apologised for making cosmetics phase wide availability due to popular demand.

yeah, people would.

It isn't about the cosmetics, it is about that meaning Intrepid are just another in a long line of MMO developers/publishers whom can not be trusted when they say something - and in this case it would happen even before they have a product out.

I mean, even you should be disappointed in Intrepid if they go back on their word, regardless of whether that means you can buy something you want or not.

Vhaeyne

Conrad wrote: »

I doubt people would be mad if they apologised for making cosmetics phase wide availability due to popular demand.

A company keeping a promise going for years to raise a massive amount of money only to later change the deal in a way that ruins the value of the original promise for everyone who bought into it, and they get MORE money for doing so...

A simple apology makes that okay for you?

Kionashi

I don't even care for getting super nice cosmetics via achievements, I just want to be able to buy them when when the game releases....

I mean...having a few exclusive skins to reward people who bought in early is fine... but how many skins are we going to make exclusive?...there are already tons of skins that are beyond our reach and the game is still far from release... we will see 24 more sets going exclusive before the game is even out?

also my main issue is how fast are we burning popular themes each month....by example the frost armor...that's a cool looking armor for people who want to live in icy areas, but now is gone forever...we will ever get another frozen armor? And the cool giant Witch hat... I loved the design and that's a stable in wizzard fashion...but again is gone forever...since material swaps aren't valid that means we wont ever get to buy a Wizzard hat? what about that cool skeleton mask Steven showcased in an early video?...we will ever be able to buy an skeleton mask to fashion our necromancer?

I mean give early backers exclusive colors, or a special discount in those items....but don't lock cool concepts away for people who want to invest in the game closer to release...

CROW3

Kionashi wrote: »

but don't lock cool concepts away for people who want to invest in the game closer to release...

What do you mean by 'concepts'?

George_Black

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

Kionashi

CROW3 wrote: »

Kionashi wrote: »

but don't lock cool concepts away for people who want to invest in the game closer to release...

What do you mean by 'concepts'?

concepts like "wizard hat" or "frozen armor" or the ghost ship we saw in previous support packs or the rabbit mount we saw in February

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

I doubt people would be mad if they apologised for making cosmetics phase wide availability due to popular demand.

A company keeping a promise going for years to raise a massive amount of money only to later change the deal in a way that ruins the value of the original promise for everyone who bought into it, and they get MORE money for doing so...

A simple apology makes that okay for you?

I can understand that, and the solution would be to stop putting exclusive cosmetics from now on...even if is too late to bring older cosmetics back form the exlcusivity hell we can stop any more cosmetics from becoming unaccessible to 95% of the proyected playerbase...

JustVine

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

This sounds like a person who has to stand completely still when chewing bubble gum.

CROW3

Ah, but those are just cosmetics not concepts.

George_Black

JustVine wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

This sounds like a person who has to stand completely still when chewing bubble gum.

This sounds to me like a made up scenario inside your head that makes you look like you are winning.
Are you winning tho, son?

Unkempt Foliage

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

Looking cool is important in RPG setting. Different people value it less than others but it's still important.

Also not everyone has access to alpha and this is something they can critique, whereas combat they can't since they don't have hands on experience.

Also you could say they same thing about Intrepid. Why are they pumping out sets already if there are more important things.

George_Black

Unkempt Foliage wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

Looking cool is important in RPG setting. Different people value it less than others but it's still important.

Also not everyone has access to alpha and this is something they can critique, whereas combat they can't since they don't have hands on experience.

Also you could say they same thing about Intrepid. Why are they pumping out sets already if there are more important things.

What happened to looking cool by leveling up, crafting high end armor and winning against enemy guilds?
And yes, I agree that we have too many sets. But then again, if the sales from the monthlies bring more employees in then it's alright aint it?

JustVine

George Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

This sounds like a person who has to stand completely still when chewing bubble gum.

This sounds to me like a made up scenario inside your head that makes you look like you are winning.
Are you winning tho, son?

People can care about cosmetics and combat at the same time. If you can't no hard feelings. I just don't understand why you set yourself up like this all the time when attempting to bully others for not being like you. Seems like a stressful life.

George_Black

JustVine wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Meanwhile, we try to get combat right and this guy worries about collectables.

Shows the state that the mmo genre is in. Meaningless gameplay designs

This sounds like a person who has to stand completely still when chewing bubble gum.

This sounds to me like a made up scenario inside your head that makes you look like you are winning.
Are you winning tho, son?

People can care about cosmetics and combat at the same time. If you can't no hard feelings. I just don't understand why you set yourself up like this all the time when attempting to bully others for not being like you. Seems like a stressful life.

Ahh... how about you stick to my posts instead of trying to figure out what's going on on the other side of the screen?
You seem desparate for validation unlike me.
Let's stick to the discussion then:
I find completionists concerns unimportant.
I find peoples demands that limited cosmetics be available to them, even though they didnt SUPPORT the studio on it's grassroots when it needed to see that people believed in the vision, PETTY.

Schmuky

i have seen this view a few times and i honestly don't understand the attitude. Time limited cosmetics are fantastic. Being able to have something that is rare and you can wear is as a badge of honor is the best feeling ever. Your argument is "he supported the game early in development and got a skin, wtf, my 100% completion meter is ruined" and i honestly cannot take this view point seriously. It is as if you play the game to finish it. That's not the point of an MMO. I get that feeling with single player games, most of all with RPGs like Witcher or adventure games like Tomb Raider, where i did spend my time getting 100% because i knew that after i finish the story and 100% it i will never install it again.

Having the same mentality about a game that is supposed to last for months and months is missing the point. I can't speak about WoW crowd, but I have seen them around the forums complain about something or other usually something like "But WoW did it this way, why aren't you?" and the answer, obviously, is "AoC isn't WoW"

It doesn't want to be, and it shouldn't be. We had 10 years of WoW clones and "WoW killers" (until WoW killed itself). AoC wants to be something different. I am optimistic now about the game and will say that if (MAJOR IF) the team can make all systems and fix the combat and have the content and the social systems and everything else, it will be the best MMO for me. And I do mean it when i say "for me".

I want a living world where i can lose myself, and unique and rare cosmetics are part of that. When i see a skin that was given before the game, yea i can be jealous a bit, but that's fine, i will probably have stuff that person docent, that's how the game works.

But tbh, if this is such a big problem for you, what about flight? 10 people out of 10.000 will be able to fly on a server. Content will be locked behind node progression, so unless you convince a few hundred people to take down a metropolis that is well defended, you will never experience that content.

A lot of the game is "time limited" or "location limited" or "server limited". There will be unique weapons, 1 per server. And i love all this. And, I don't want to be rude, but if you don't, maybe this game isn't for you? Consider what it wants to be (can't say "is" yet) and then see if you really want to play that game.

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