Max camera distance suggestion

In alpha one we have an option to zoom camera in game. This is bad cuz of two reasons. Firstly u lose a connection with ur character, u feel disconnected, but if u have it optional everyone will play on bigger zoom cuz it gives u advantage and that leads us to another issue. Max zoom allows you to check very deep corners without getting to danger, which is a big advantage for a player. I suggest to lock camera near max zoom-in to make more immersion and stop actions like that

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szelesbt

I like to play with super zoomed out camera when fighting and and zoomed in when questing, traveling or im in towns.
Im coming from a RTS, MOBA background so thats why i like that perspective when things happen. In a fight i want more information and i like the MOBA like aim vs the FPS one. But when the gameplay is calmed down i like the extra immersion from the zoomed in camera.

So i would like to get both option in the game.

Happymeal2415

I think the zoom should lean towards the closer side. In a game like this where people will be ambushing caravans etc. you should have to be aware of your surroundings by having players on watch or scouting etc. Having a view of your character from essentially the top of a small mountain really negates any of this.

Happymeal2415

Example:
scale of transparency ( fade to complete transparency depending what part of the pie they're in. Different zones, different transparency)

I would like to see something like this incorporated into stealth mechanics. No more complete invisibility standing in the middle of a lit road

Snekkers

i definitly agree that some players like to play with max zoom-out but that gives u those advantages and without systems to make it equal, everybody will be forced to paly max zoomed-out cuz of battle awarness

mcstackerson

I also feel the same.

TomaszJaworski wrote: »

i definitly agree that some players like to play with max zoom-out but that gives u those advantages and without systems to make it equal, everybody will be forced to paly max zoomed-out cuz of battle awarness

This is how i feel. I'd prefer cam distance restrained.

Denahi

Whilst I do recognize that some players wants to play max zoomed out, it really does give them an advantage over players who don't. And as someone mentioned before the aspect of sneaking up on someone, setting an ambush for a caravan etc, those elements are far more difficult if not impossible to carry out unless you're a rogue, you'd see anyone coming from a mile away, this includes bounty hunters as well, if a corrupted player has zoomed maxed out, they'd be able to spot any bounty hunters a mile away and just mount up. I definetly would have preferred, as others in this thread, that zooming out would be more limited than it is now. As it does ruin these aspects of the game

Dygz

If the devs determine from testing that zoomed out camera gives too much advantage during caravan attacks, they will nerf the camera zoom out.

TeamVASH

TomaszJaworski wrote: »

In alpha one we have an option to zoom camera in game. This is bad cuz of two reasons. Firstly u lose a connection with ur character, u feel disconnected, but if u have it optional everyone will play on bigger zoom cuz it gives u advantage and that leads us to another issue. Max zoom allows you to check very deep corners without getting to danger, which is a big advantage for a player. I suggest to lock camera near max zoom-in to make more immersion and stop actions like that

I agree 100%, I discussed this in my video "The Most Important Video I'll Ever Make" and mentioned the same points you did. I really hope they listen to this.

CROW3

TeamVASH wrote: »

I agree 100%, I discussed this in my video "The Most Important Video I'll Ever Make" and mentioned the same points you did. I really hope they listen to this.

If you feel disconnect then you can zoom in. If you feel cosmetics are the most important aspect of being zoomed in, then you can zoom in.

Watched your video and you make your opinions clear (some I agree with and some I don't), but just my 2 cents on your argumentation. If you frame your opinions such that 'real mmo players' will agree with you, otherwise they're 'COD players,' you're creating an unnecessary division in a space that's already rife with a range of silly to serious tribalisms. Just state your opinion and be ok with your opinion being your opinion.

Guli

hell no, being super zoomed in is annoying

GrilledCheeseMojito

I agree with the original sentiment, and I think strongly that keeping such a large max zoom not only decreases immersion and lessens the connection with the beautiful assets Intrepid has made for us, but also affects combat balance. There's one specific point that I haven't seen anyone bring up though. I strongly believe that so long as your computer can keep a stable high framerate and has a stable connection (say, 60FPS), and you've worked in game to make a strong build with powerful gear, you should not be put at a disadvantage because someone else can set the FOV or zoom level higher than you without suffering a framerate penalty. Successful MMOs provide equal experiences to folks with lower-end devices so that you can grow your community without having a financial barrier to entry.

Please cap zoom at a lower level before PvP events smaller scale than sieges become common, and avoid creating a divide between your players just because one of them can't afford the latest powerful rig, especially in the times we live in where getting any graphics card is difficult and expensive.

Conrad

I think highest zoom out should be slightly beyond seeing full character body. Lowest maybe face zoom? I dunno tbh

Khronus

This topic is an attempt at reducing the freedom/options players have. I don't feel any less immersed at max range than I do when my characters head is 10% of the screen (which is ridiculous of course and if you play zoomed all the way in...you just won't live as much as someone who doesn't). You think I want to see these trees close up with the bark cracking off it? Those pretty flowers? No. I want to see the landscapes, how everything merges together. Max zoom is perfect for me and still gives me the advantage of seeing players AND the beauty of the world.

What people also fail to realize, and this has been proven in countless games over the last 20 years, is that players are situationally unaware regardless of zoom range. Just zooming out doesn't mean you have the advantage. You have to have the ability to turn your camera because not every player is going to charge you from the front, you have to visually acquire the target and you have to NOT tunnel vision on what your current task is. How many people I have murdered because they were farming, not paying attention or couldn't see me is staggering. Zoom range isn't going to automatically help players stay alive.

@GrilledCheeseMojito avoid having a divide based on income? Seems like something that should be shouted from the mountaintops IRL about countries being rich while their people are poor. Not in a game. Might as well just make AoC a minecraft mod.

Jxshuwu

Being close to the character is annoying and makes the game un-fun for some, i believe this is a bad suggestion. Yeah zooming out makes it easier to see things, but not everything needs to be made to be as difficult as possible. Convenience/QoL can be more important at times.

TeamVASH

CROW3 wrote: »

TeamVASH wrote: »

I agree 100%, I discussed this in my video "The Most Important Video I'll Ever Make" and mentioned the same points you did. I really hope they listen to this.

If you feel disconnect then you can zoom in. If you feel cosmetics are the most important aspect of being zoomed in, then you can zoom in.

Watched your video and you make your opinions clear (some I agree with and some I don't), but just my 2 cents on your argumentation. If you frame your opinions such that 'real mmo players' will agree with you, otherwise they're 'COD players,' you're creating an unnecessary division in a space that's already rife with a range of silly to serious tribalisms. Just state your opinion and be ok with your opinion being your opinion.

Sounds like the only person who has a problem with an opinion is you. I listen to every person's opinion and I allow it to connect with me and give it an opportunity to change my heart and mind and grow my perspective as a person. My perspectives have been shaped by the people who have taken the time to debate, discuss and share with me.

CROW3

TeamVASH wrote: »

Sounds like the only person who has a problem with an opinion is you. I listen to every person's opinion and I allow it to connect with me and give it an opportunity to change my heart and mind and grow my perspective as a person. My perspectives have been shaped by the people who have taken the time to debate, discuss and share with me.

Great! Help me understand where I express that I have 'a problem with an opinion'.

Thekooges

I absolutely refuse to play an MMO I can't zoom out really far in. It literally isn't an MMO if you can't zoom out and see the world you are in. A character in a MMO should be the tool you use to interact with the world. By having the camera shoved into the back of the character it quite literally eliminates 50% of the immersion of the game. When I'm out grinding kills bouncing around and slaughtering massive amounts of mobs I like to be able to move in any direction I want so I can't plan cool combos and choose what to target next as I learn effective movement and stuff. Also...I want to be able to see the entirety of my spells animation. There is nothing more boring then watching like...a mess of garbage that's just stuck right in front of you because you can't see what's happening around you. That's not an MMO at that point. It's far more visually and physically stimulating to be able to see damn near an entire zone as you manipulate what's going on inside of it. The whole argument about players having some disadvantage is ridiculous. It's not a disadvantage if everyone can zoom out...that's literally the whole dang point. We could just pull out the PlayStation and run around on some single player dull ass non immersive single player game if we wanted to be locked into the butt of our characters. Being able to control the camera gives control over how we view the world you've built for us. Please....please...please...please....don't take away max camera distance.

Dygz

Sounds like you really want to be playing a Hack N Slash, rather than an RPG.
Slaughtering masses of mobs is not the immersion of an RPG.
It is what's expected for a Hack N Slash. Sure.

That being said. Steven likes his camera zoomed out significantly, so...
Watch videos of his gameplay and see if that suits you.

Shinaso

Let me zoom out as much as I want. You dont want? you zoom in, but dont force other people to play as YOU like

Scarbeus

3rd person corner peaking in Planetside 1 was a bit broken, but that's a very different game to use as a comparison. I think you should have a fair amount of zooming out but really don't overdo it. They may need to test a few things out, but don't forget there's a reason why in some games characters have abilities to give the equivalent of zoomed out vision and that's because vision is information and information gives advantages. I just don't want 3rd person to be a few meters back. As for how far you can zoom in I want to be able to check out my characters gear and maybe even zoom up to their face when I get cool helmet gear.

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