Secondary class discussion.

Hello my dudes and not dudes and everything in between.
I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks the secondary class will do to your primary.
Do you guys have any thoughts on how it could or should work? Any particular kind of ability augments you think a certain class should get?

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Azalez

I'm essentially trying to recreate a shadowpriest class with Mage-Cleric and I'm just reaaaally hoping the life/death augments will change my traditional elemental space of fire/ice/lightning into light/dark/planar magic. I'm also really hoping those augments will change the visual FX and icon colors of my abilities as well!

Azraya

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

I'm about 300 words into it.
We are gonna get along.

JustVine

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Is this about the (chain)Mailmen again?

SirChancelot

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

I'm about 300 words into it.
We are gonna get along.

😂🤣😂🤣
Cheers mate

SirChancelot

JustVine wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Is this about the (chain)Mailmen again?

Mailmen? Nahhh
My big brain theory of with augments you could turn mages or fighters into tanks if you built them to be. You weren't a fan if I remember right.

Voxtrium

I actually hope that IS can balance 2ndary classes such that if i dont want to i never "have to" switch my secondary class to be competitive

SirChancelot

Voxtrium wrote: »

I actually hope that IS can balance 2ndary classes such that if i dont want to i never "have to" switch my secondary class to be competitive

Totally agree
I hope you just choose a flavor you like to build a playstyle you enjoy and stick with it

Azraya

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

Read it. Sounds like a good class.
I hope thats the direction they go with how your secondary class changes you.

Let me throw one back at you:

Tank+Rogue-Nightshield

Shadow Step: Become invisible. Other players can only detect you when you get too close to them.

Slit: A melee ability that does moderate damage and prevents enemy spell casting for a short duration.

Poisoned Blade: Dip your weapon in a powerful poison, while active your basic attacks will poison the enemy.
(this poison does damage over time and slightly lowers physical defense)

Quickfoot: Self-buff that while active, increases your evasion rate and crit rate.

Dark Rush: Directional dash that gives you a small damage absorbing shield.

Quick Resolve: Self-casting ability that removes one random debuff and briefly increases damage reduction.

Adrenaline Control: Raise max HP and movement speed for a duration.

Just some ideas that are neat to think about.

SirChancelot

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

Read it. Sounds like a good class.
I hope thats the direction they go with how your secondary class changes you.

Let me throw one back at you:

Tank+Rogue-Nightshield

Shadow Step: Become invisible. Other players can only detect you when you get too close to them.

Slit: A melee ability that does moderate damage and prevents enemy spell casting for a short duration.

Poisoned Blade: Dip your weapon in a powerful poison, while active your basic attacks will poison the enemy.
(this poison does damage over time and slightly lowers physical defense)

Quickfoot: Self-buff that while active, increases your evasion rate and crit rate.

Dark Rush: Directional dash that gives you a small damage absorbing shield.

Quick Resolve: Self-casting ability that removes one random debuff and briefly increases damage reduction.

Adrenaline Control: Raise max HP and movement speed for a duration.

Just some ideas that are neat to think about.

See
Tank rogue being a dodge tank all about avoidance instead of blocking I'm 100% for. Maybe not stealth, unless it is for a surgical engage. Because I feel like if you have something that stealths you it would make you drop agro, which is pretty non tank of you. Know what I mean?

Azraya

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

Read it. Sounds like a good class.
I hope thats the direction they go with how your secondary class changes you.

Let me throw one back at you:

Tank+Rogue-Nightshield

Shadow Step: Become invisible. Other players can only detect you when you get too close to them.

Slit: A melee ability that does moderate damage and prevents enemy spell casting for a short duration.

Poisoned Blade: Dip your weapon in a powerful poison, while active your basic attacks will poison the enemy.
(this poison does damage over time and slightly lowers physical defense)

Quickfoot: Self-buff that while active, increases your evasion rate and crit rate.

Dark Rush: Directional dash that gives you a small damage absorbing shield.

Quick Resolve: Self-casting ability that removes one random debuff and briefly increases damage reduction.

Adrenaline Control: Raise max HP and movement speed for a duration.

Just some ideas that are neat to think about.

See
Tank rogue being a dodge tank all about avoidance instead of blocking I'm 100% for. Maybe not stealth, unless it is for a surgical engage. Because I feel like if you have something that stealths you it would make you drop agro, which is pretty non tank of you. Know what I mean?

Yeah, youre right.
I only added stealth in the hopes that a dev saw this and thought it was cool
because i really want to play an evasion tank with stealth. i REALLY want to.

Azherae

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

Read it. Sounds like a good class.
I hope thats the direction they go with how your secondary class changes you.

Let me throw one back at you:

Tank+Rogue-Nightshield

Shadow Step: Become invisible. Other players can only detect you when you get too close to them.

Slit: A melee ability that does moderate damage and prevents enemy spell casting for a short duration.

Poisoned Blade: Dip your weapon in a powerful poison, while active your basic attacks will poison the enemy.
(this poison does damage over time and slightly lowers physical defense)

Quickfoot: Self-buff that while active, increases your evasion rate and crit rate.

Dark Rush: Directional dash that gives you a small damage absorbing shield.

Quick Resolve: Self-casting ability that removes one random debuff and briefly increases damage reduction.

Adrenaline Control: Raise max HP and movement speed for a duration.

Just some ideas that are neat to think about.

See
Tank rogue being a dodge tank all about avoidance instead of blocking I'm 100% for. Maybe not stealth, unless it is for a surgical engage. Because I feel like if you have something that stealths you it would make you drop agro, which is pretty non tank of you. Know what I mean?

Yeah, youre right.
I only added stealth in the hopes that a dev saw this and thought it was cool
because i really want to play an evasion tank with stealth. i REALLY want to.

If this is not possible, as I always say...

WE RIOT!

(whether or not it's a good idea is a different question).

SirChancelot

Azherae wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Oh, well - that's fine. I was sure - sure - you were going to rehash one of the topics-that-shall-not-be-named.

Nope
😆
I'm not going to try that again until I actually get to see more and play around with it some, if @Azraya wants to read through the old one though, by all means

i'm reading it now.

Enjoy dude 😎

Read it. Sounds like a good class.
I hope thats the direction they go with how your secondary class changes you.

Let me throw one back at you:

Tank+Rogue-Nightshield

Shadow Step: Become invisible. Other players can only detect you when you get too close to them.

Slit: A melee ability that does moderate damage and prevents enemy spell casting for a short duration.

Poisoned Blade: Dip your weapon in a powerful poison, while active your basic attacks will poison the enemy.
(this poison does damage over time and slightly lowers physical defense)

Quickfoot: Self-buff that while active, increases your evasion rate and crit rate.

Dark Rush: Directional dash that gives you a small damage absorbing shield.

Quick Resolve: Self-casting ability that removes one random debuff and briefly increases damage reduction.

Adrenaline Control: Raise max HP and movement speed for a duration.

Just some ideas that are neat to think about.

See
Tank rogue being a dodge tank all about avoidance instead of blocking I'm 100% for. Maybe not stealth, unless it is for a surgical engage. Because I feel like if you have something that stealths you it would make you drop agro, which is pretty non tank of you. Know what I mean?

Yeah, youre right.
I only added stealth in the hopes that a dev saw this and thought it was cool
because i really want to play an evasion tank with stealth. i REALLY want to.

If this is not possible, as I always say...

WE RIOT!

(whether or not it's a good idea is a different question).

You know
That's an excellent point, just because it's bad doesn't mean they shouldn't have it either

Dygz

I'm expecting X/Rogue to have some form of Stealth augment School.

Dolyem

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

*Points to 'Tank'

@SirChancelot - I know what you're thinking. Don't do it.

Come oonnn 😆
I don't think it should work for everything, but I'd love to see a few combinations here and there that if fully spec'ed into being that role it could create a tank or healer.

That's why I'm so eagerly looking forward to A2 and beta. I'm hoping they will have some functions for testing giving us easy respec of skill points and secondaries to allow for experimentation. I absolutely love finding the weird shit that shouldn't work.

The vietnam flashbacks from those conversations I just got are PROFOUND lmao. I do agree though.

SirChancelot

Dolyem wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

*Points to 'Tank'

@SirChancelot - I know what you're thinking. Don't do it.

Come oonnn 😆
I don't think it should work for everything, but I'd love to see a few combinations here and there that if fully spec'ed into being that role it could create a tank or healer.

That's why I'm so eagerly looking forward to A2 and beta. I'm hoping they will have some functions for testing giving us easy respec of skill points and secondaries to allow for experimentation. I absolutely love finding the weird shit that shouldn't work.

The vietnam flashbacks from those conversations I just got are PROFOUND lmao. I do agree though.

😂🤣😂

PenguinPaladin

CROW3 wrote: »

*Points to 'Tank'

@SirChancelot - I know what you're thinking. Don't do it.

I think we change the name of the tank-tank class "guardian" to "Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus" as it is the largest military tank ever made, and sticks more to the asthetics of the "tank" class

SirChancelot

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

*Points to 'Tank'

@SirChancelot - I know what you're thinking. Don't do it.

I think we change the name of the tank-tank class "guardian" to "Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus" as it is the largest military tank ever made, and sticks more to the asthetics of the "tank" class

I've said make the tank called guardian
And make tank/tank called bulwark or phalanx or something like that

Dolyem

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

*Points to 'Tank'

@SirChancelot - I know what you're thinking. Don't do it.

I think we change the name of the tank-tank class "guardian" to "Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus" as it is the largest military tank ever made, and sticks more to the asthetics of the "tank" class

I petition to rename the tank class as the Leman Russ

raylegh

For some of them I can't imagine augments being little changes:

Mage - Ranger (Spellhunter): The name suggests me that he is a Mage who fights by shooting magic "arrows" made of mana instead of typical Mage cast. Like a Ranger but using a mana bow and shooting spells.

Mage - Fighter (Battle Mage): I always though battle mages like a melee magic fighter. Although I don't know how augments can be applied here and not change that much the class gameplay I imagine them using in moment created mana swords/weapons and fighting like warriors.

Mage - Rogue (Shadow Caster): Maybe a Mage who can cast "stealth" spells and other players can't really see what they're doing.

Mage - Tank (Spellstone): A Mage focused on barriers. They make mana walls or tinier shields to stop or reduce incoming damage.

Others like Fighter - Mage (Spellsword) or Ranger - Mage (Scion) would simply use their wielded weapons but enhanced by magical Mage augmentations, to swing their sword coated with fire or shoot their arrows on magic fire.

PenguinPaladin

I think the biggest thing we need is to nail down what happens when a secondary class is applied. And at the moment all we know is the augment system.

I think skills need to be reskinned, for the flavor of their overall secondary class when it is picked. This should be strictly a "cosmetic" change.

Mage becoming a spell hunter as an example. Fireball, could simply become fire arrow. Same functionality, new name and animation to fit the class.

Then adding your augments as your boost of having a secondary class on top of that.

Now the augment system needs to be able to produce the changes people expect from their class name as well.

Battle mage as an example. You think of a battle mage as a melee magic fighter, so perhaps the fighter needs an augment that lowers range of the skill its applied to, and trades it for damage, or survivability.

So a battle mages fire ball, get reskined to flame slash, which is still thrown as a projectile, but with the range reduction damage up augment, becomes a true flaming sword strike.

Something along those concepts for every class needs to happen.

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