Would a Mage Tower type instance appeal to the everyday player.

I'd like to hear peoples yes or no answers to if a mage tower would be a cool addition to the base game. The reasoning is to have more single player content that is challenging allows for something to strive for that wont require other players so if you have a small amount of time on your hands you can spend it mastering your class and unlocking a cool cosmetic that only players with your class can use.

If you don't know what the Mage Tower is refer to anything on YouTube video about mage tower by Blizzard and its one of the best content they've released in recent times that has lived up to the hype even years later.
Leave comments after yes or no i just wanted to clarify this part.

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Ludullu

KDecisionz wrote: »

yes or no

Maybe

ykk

Depends on how the the difficulty is accomplished, really.

Solo Deep Dungeon in FFXIV is "difficult single player content" with the reward being unique and rare titles, with "The Necromancer" (Clearing floors 1-200 of Palace of the Dead solo) having barely 1k players having accomplished it, and "Lone Hero" (Heaven-on-High 1-100 solo) has slightly more completes than that.

The difficulty comes from the fact that it is less class mastery and more weird and unique janky mechanic mastery and patience, which is not really the same thing. Making solo content hard that doesn't swerve in that direction and is not simply a gear check is honestly really difficult in a game focused around group content. I appreciate that it exists in FFXIV, and how difficult and 'prestigious' it is, but I don't know if I'd say it has broad spectrum appeal to actually do.

bloodprophet

I thought this was an MMO?

Why remove players from an open world and put them in a solo instance?
I don't think they should divide the community up like other games have done.

Mag7spy

Id rather have more group content than single player content.

DaffyDux

I think there is 100% space for Instanced solo content. Of course, the game is fundamentally based on being social, grouping up and engaging with other players. However, there are times when playing an MMORPG (and let's face it, for some of us that means potentially dozens of hours a week) that having some solo content to chill to with the music playing whilst maybe you wait for friends to come online is a great option. I love group and guild content, discord etc. Having a few options to take a break away from that in-game is only a good thing IMO.

Craiken

No

Admittedly, I couldn't find much information on it. Regardless, my hope is that there are lots of worthwhile solo activities in the open world.

George_Black

No to solo stuff.
No to instanced stuff.

Especially if this activity has a benefit. Why split groups of players into doing their solo crap.
I was so angry with esos solo arenas.
"Where is everybody? Oh yeah, playing solo instances."

CROW3

I like Mage Towers, but I’d want to do it as a group.

The solo, hyper-casual content put out by Blizzard is kind of the inverse direction that Ashes is going.

Liniker

Hell na - I want the Tower of Insolence from Lineage 2

That's how you do it

tautau

TOI rocked in so many ways. Even Cruma was great in the early days.

KDecisionz

NiKr wrote: »

KDecisionz wrote: »

yes or no

Maybe

love it XD

KDecisionz

ykk wrote: »

Depends on how the the difficulty is accomplished, really.

Solo Deep Dungeon in FFXIV is "difficult single player content" with the reward being unique and rare titles, with "The Necromancer" (Clearing floors 1-200 of Palace of the Dead solo) having barely 1k players having accomplished it, and "Lone Hero" (Heaven-on-High 1-100 solo) has slightly more completes than that.

The difficulty comes from the fact that it is less class mastery and more weird and unique janky mechanic mastery and patience, which is not really the same thing. Making solo content hard that doesn't swerve in that direction and is not simply a gear check is honestly really difficult in a game focused around group content. I appreciate that it exists in FFXIV, and how difficult and 'prestigious' it is, but I don't know if I'd say it has broad spectrum appeal to actually do.

Ill look up what this Solo Deep Dungeon is but from wow its 1 dungeon that is specifically tailored to your class and spec and you are set at a specific item level so you cant out gear it you can do it under geared if you'd like more of challenge though. So the gear part is not an issue and i don't think the content should be so hard that 1% of players can complete it there's room for content like that to me but everything should be achievable with some dedication and practice. It should be hard but not Lube me up Hard you know? XD
I'm not that casual but i do enjoy ALOT of casual content outside of try Harding but most games just don't have that really. I think casual is a broader term than some people give it credit. Its not only brain dead content, like gathering you gather because you want mats but that's not casual content its braindead you watch Netflix on the next screen while this happens, casual content can be like dragon riding in the new wow expansion or guild wars 2 where they stole it from and its something you just play with have a good time not staring at a second monitor for minutes at a time.

KDecisionz

bloodprophet wrote: »

I thought this was an MMO?

Why remove players from an open world and put them in a solo instance?
I don't think they should divide the community up like other games have done.

That's fine but there is still room for this wars will be instanced otherwise it doesn't work. Instance content can be Neche content that allows the developers to do something special, if anyone plays an MMO open world wise the things you can do are limited because of technology, thinking that instance content is bad for a "mmo" is being counter productive to the future of the genre as a whole.

If you make a mage tower lets say for argument sake in the open world how does it function how does it know what class you are how do other players not support you and or grief you? Ive played MMOs since i was in 4th grade elementary i want open world and a community i love that but i also understand that instance content is one of the best ways to make things HARD or Different because again of technology IRL its just not possible to do somethings not in a instance because the coding is just really either difficult or not possible, and even on the difficult front it wont be able to be "different" and have cool new things because of limitations.

KDecisionz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Id rather have more group content than single player content.

100% agreed but there will be times where you have work in 30mins and want to progress your character in something meaningful to you.
You also may be watching kids or have kids of your own and need something to do that wont take up to much attention span. Maybe you can kind of pause half way threw and not waist peoples time.
Solo and team content can coexist they aren't mutually exclusive its up to the devs to see what kind of split they want for that but lets wander what can be

daveywavey

KDecisionz wrote: »

how do other players not support you and or grief you?

And, what makes you think we'd grief you?!

KDecisionz

Craiken wrote: »

No

Admittedly, I couldn't find much information on it. Regardless, my hope is that there are lots of worthwhile solo activities in the open world.

Im sorry i dont know if there is a reply button I'm just starting to use this forum more but i kinda answered this in of the ones above so just refer to that but to make it short Instance/open world/single player/group/Raid content can all live together in harmony to give players the best of all worlds.

KDecisionz

CROW3 wrote: »

I like Mage Towers, but I’d want to do it as a group.

The solo, hyper-casual content put out by Blizzard is kind of the inverse direction that Ashes is going.

i agree with what blizzard is doing but im using there mage tower as an example. Why cant there be a solo and a Group version of a Mage tower? It would just take more time from a group perspective because that requires the devs to know all 64 classes and tailor a raid to having 8 of those 64 in it which is probably impossible. or maybe they can have say a 8 archetypes can do this one and only those classes so the instance will be tailored to them and test there skill but again its harder to do because you must do that X how ever many combinations of 64 archetypes you can have

KDecisionz

Liniker wrote: »

Hell na - I want the Tower of Insolence from Lineage 2

That's how you do it

Never seen it ill look into it Mage Tower is just my only interaction with a dungeon made just for your class/spec to push you to push your class to its limits using all your weird funky abilities that you normally don't press. Not against what you are saying for sure.

Asgerr

Make said tower a party and not solo content and I would be in.

However Intrepid have claimed they're trying to steer away from Instanced content as much as possible -- leaving some specific raids only as instanced apparently.

Dygz

I mean... Ashes will have solo, instanced content.
So, I dunno why some form of this couldn't be part of that.
Doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like WoW's version.

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