Would a Mage Tower type instance appeal to the everyday player.

I'd like to hear peoples yes or no answers to if a mage tower would be a cool addition to the base game. The reasoning is to have more single player content that is challenging allows for something to strive for that wont require other players so if you have a small amount of time on your hands you can spend it mastering your class and unlocking a cool cosmetic that only players with your class can use.

If you don't know what the Mage Tower is refer to anything on YouTube video about mage tower by Blizzard and its one of the best content they've released in recent times that has lived up to the hype even years later.
Leave comments after yes or no i just wanted to clarify this part.

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Mag7spy

KDecisionz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Id rather have more group content than single player content.

100% agreed but there will be times where you have work in 30mins and want to progress your character in something meaningful to you.
You also may be watching kids or have kids of your own and need something to do that wont take up to much attention span. Maybe you can kind of pause half way threw and not waist peoples time.
Solo and team content can coexist they aren't mutually exclusive its up to the devs to see what kind of split they want for that but lets wander what can be

Do not agree with this at all, i dont want WoW where people just jump into solo content to progress your character in a instance.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... Ashes will have solo, instanced content.
So, I dunno why some form of this couldn't be part of that.
Doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like WoW's version.

Did I miss something or do you mean 1v1 arenas and apartments as "instanced solo content"?

PenguinPaladin

It would be interesting if one of the node types could focus on repeatable pve experiences, like how the militart nodes will have areas.

Say the scientific node had a mage tower building that could be made, which is single player, small group, and full party repeatable content. With a potential leader boards for speed runs.

MaiWaifu

Personally, I'm not interested in a solo experience in an MMO. I like that AoC is trying to go back to the traditional roots of what made MMO communities great in the past and encourage cooperation and in world rivalries.

The only time I think players should have a instanced bubble away from other players is if they're already in party doing a specificly limited quest event. Class mastery should be based on your perfomance working together in all sorts of different groups and adapting.

I think even just trying to create a classes/content that require very specific gear/class setups is the start to the slippery slope that makes balancing and min-maxing a problem. Challenges which give prestige should be scaled to group content, not to individual players.

PenguinPaladin

MaiWaifu wrote: »

Personally, I'm not interested in a solo experience in an MMO. I like that AoC is trying to go back to the traditional roots of what made MMO communities great in the past and encourage cooperation and in world rivalries.

The only time I think players should have a instanced bubble away from other players is if they're already in party doing a specificly limited quest event. Class mastery should be based on your perfomance working together in all sorts of different groups and adapting.

I think even just trying to create a classes/content that require very specific gear/class setups is the start to the slippery slope that makes balancing and min-maxing a problem. Challenges which give prestige should be scaled to group content, not to individual players.

I wouldnt say im "interested" in solo content.

I would more say, i want the world to feel complete. And to me, a small part of that complete world, is some activities that wouldnt require a squad of people. I think a person being able to be an individual of importance is somewhat important to the over all world. But yeah, like 95% of content should be made with MMO in mind.

CROW3

KDecisionz wrote: »

Why cant there be a solo and a Group version of a Mage tower?

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule, it's about prioritizing effort to support the key goals for the game. Intrepid's bent is toward group content so players solve problems together. It's the difference between group play and parallel play.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Did I miss something or do you mean 1v1 arenas and apartments as "instanced solo content"?

Sounds like you missed something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABir_vvMfY&t=2632s
mark 43:52

"There will still be instanced dungeons. Some instanced dungeons will be present and those will be created for, you know, whether there's a solo questline or a group questline."
---Steven

Mag7spy

Huge difference between instanced dungeon and a repeatable tower you can solo and use to gear up. Literarily leads to everyone being like i need to do this solo stuff to get some gear before i do group things. If you don't have more than 30 minutes just do something for that time and jump off. You don't need content around having everyone in the game having a reason to not group. When they could create more content revolving around grouping as the game is being made for and not solo content as far as balanced is concerned.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

Sounds like you missed something.

Yep, didn't know this and couldn't find this on the wiki, so thx.

edit: found it just now on the "dungeons" page. Shoulda checked there too smh

Liniker

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... Ashes will have solo, instanced content.
So, I dunno why some form of this couldn't be part of that.
Doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like WoW's version.

You saying that can easily mislead people... that instanced and solo content are only for your main questline, all the best and repeatable content (endgame) that drops good shit is group open world (PVP competitive) content

pretty sure when people say they want "instanced dungeons" they ain't talking about the Deadmines in WoW, something you only do a few times during leveling - they are talking about repeatable endgame stuff - which is not something you should expect from AoC

Mag7spy

Liniker wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... Ashes will have solo, instanced content.
So, I dunno why some form of this couldn't be part of that.
Doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like WoW's version.

You saying that can easily mislead people... that instanced and solo content are only for your main questline, all the best and repeatable content (endgame) that drops good shit is group open world (PVP competitive) content

pretty sure when people say they want "instanced dungeons" they ain't talking about the Deadmines in WoW, something you only do a few times during leveling - they are talking about repeatable endgame stuff - which is not something you should expect from AoC

Some people on these forums be out here stretching information to mislead people all the time lol. Unless you see it working in the game nothing is true.

Dygz

It's not misleading.
I didn't say anything about "best drops" or "endgame" content... especially since Ashes doesn't have an endgame.

I'm not making any assumptions about what people want from "instanced dungeons".
What the OP states is...
"The reasoning is to have more single player content that is challenging allows for something to strive for that wont require other players so if you have a small amount of time on your hands you can spend it mastering your class and unlocking a cool cosmetic that only players with your class can use."

That doesn't say anything about "best and repeatable content". That says "unlocking a cool cosmetic".
It also mentions wanting to be able to do something challenging when you only have a small amount of time.
Dunno why anyone would be adverse to that.
No mention of how often the OP wants access to the Mage Tower, but... that's why I said it doesn't have to be exactly like the WoW version.
Sure... if you make up a bunch of crap the OP didn't state and delude yourself into believing that's what the OP asked for, you might mislead yourself.

Maybe I missed the dev quote that states solo instanced content will only ever be available in "your main questline".
I don't even know what you mean by "main questline". What is that? Main Narrative Quests?
Do you have a dev quote you can share with us, please?

Mag7spy

Only Dygz will defend comments talking about instanced solo play with pve, and not start bringing up quotes to counter it all the sudden.

100% agreed but there will be times where you have work in 30mins and want to progress your character in something meaningful to you.
You also may be watching kids or have kids of your own and need something to do that wont take up to much attention span. Maybe you can kind of pause half way threw and not waist peoples time.
Solo and team content can coexist they aren't mutually exclusive its up to the devs to see what kind of split they want for that but lets wander what can be

Halae

Why not split the difference and have instanced things that are designed for group content, but have a solo mode if that's what you want to go for? Largely, that sort of thing only requires three things;
1. Reducing the difficulty of mobs to the expectation that you're alone rather than part of a group
2. Have healing readily available if the player in question doesn't normally have the ability to heal themself.
3. Mechanics that'd normally require more than one person (such as pressure plate puzzles) either have a way to bypass them as a solo operator or be removed from the solo version of the instance.

Regardless of the idea of solo versions of instances (which, as I recall, only make up roughly 20% of the planned dungeons anyways, so this wouldn't be a huge increase) I do think solo content needs to exist in the game. MMOs run on social stuff, yes, but having available stuff for players that don't require you to spend a ton of time gathering a party and that can show off your personal mastery are legitimately very good things. They shouldn't be the focus, but having them available at all is important for when players are socially burned out or seeking a challenge that doesn't depend on coordination with others.

Mag7spy

Halae wrote: »

Why not split the difference and have instanced things that are designed for group content, but have a solo mode if that's what you want to go for? Largely, that sort of thing only requires three things;
1. Reducing the difficulty of mobs to the expectation that you're alone rather than part of a group
2. Have healing readily available if the player in question doesn't normally have the ability to heal themself.
3. Mechanics that'd normally require more than one person (such as pressure plate puzzles) either have a way to bypass them as a solo operator or be removed from the solo version of the instance.

Regardless of the idea of solo versions of instances (which, as I recall, only make up roughly 20% of the planned dungeons anyways, so this wouldn't be a huge increase) I do think solo content needs to exist in the game. MMOs run on social stuff, yes, but having available stuff for players that don't require you to spend a ton of time gathering a party and that can show off your personal mastery are legitimately very good things. They shouldn't be the focus, but having them available at all is important for when players are socially burned out or seeking a challenge that doesn't depend on coordination with others.

That is not 20% of content when you are talking about hand holding and reducing difficulty so someone can spam repeatable tower content. This is literarily the opposite on what AoC is trying to do right down to the game being balanced for groups and not solo play.

I'd rather have a open world tower that is difficult and has a lot of layers to it people can explore and see from the distance trying to get to the top of it, not this single player instanced dungeon none sense they can grind in there all day or for hours at a time.

Halae

Mag7spy wrote: »

That is not 20% of content when you are talking about hand holding and reducing difficulty so someone can spam repeatable tower content. This is literarily the opposite on what AoC is trying to do right down to the game being balanced for groups and not solo play.

I'd rather have a open world tower that is difficult and has a lot of layers to it people can explore and see from the distance trying to get to the top of it, not this single player instanced dungeon none sense they can grind in there all day or for hours at a time.

... you recognize that you can have challenging content that's specific to solo players, right? And that it's relatively easy to tune down the resources, experience, and whatnot you get from them? Hell, to my understanding the instanced dungeons are supposed to be story content, instanced so that you don't get ganked while dealing with important story beats. Being able to handle those at your own pace is entirely sensible.

Leiloni

Liniker wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I mean... Ashes will have solo, instanced content.
So, I dunno why some form of this couldn't be part of that.
Doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like WoW's version.

You saying that can easily mislead people... that instanced and solo content are only for your main questline, all the best and repeatable content (endgame) that drops good shit is group open world (PVP competitive) content

pretty sure when people say they want "instanced dungeons" they ain't talking about the Deadmines in WoW, something you only do a few times during leveling - they are talking about repeatable endgame stuff - which is not something you should expect from AoC

This right here should end this thread. Intrepid has been pretty clear that this is not an MMO with your traditional "instanced" content. They've said they'll have some instanced content for lore and storytelling reasons, probably simply because they don't want people getting ganked while trying to learn major plot points.

But they've been clear that instanced content will only be about 20% of the game (the remaining 80% will be open world content) and it won't constitute any sort of endgame content, nor will it be any place you can farm repeatedly. All of these points are in the wiki link above with references (thanks AoC Wiki team!).

Even the idea of a repeatable tower for any sort of reward goes against one of the game's main pillars which is Risk vs Reward. There's no risk in instanced PvE content and for that reason alone you won't see it in Ashes. Anything worth having in this game will have some sort of risk associated with earning it.

Dygz

The devs have been clear about the parameters for solo instanced content.
Nothing in that clarity precludes the solo instanced content the devs have mentioned from being in the form of a "Mage Tower".
Since the risk in solo instanced content is relatively low - "unlocking a cool cosmetic" is a reasonable reward.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

The devs have been clear about the parameters for solo instanced content.
Nothing in that clarity precludes the solo instanced content the devs have mentioned from being in the form of a "Mage Tower".
Since the risk in solo instanced content is relatively low - "unlocking a cool cosmetic" is a reasonable reward.

Dygz

LMAO
Why are you highlighting "farmed repeatedly"?
And what does that have to do with the physical appearance of an instanced dungeon?

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