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How should AoC deal with streamers/youtubers uploading DPS parsing videos using 3rd party programs?
George_Black
Member, Intrepid Pack
Would that be a bannable offense?
I believe that it should. It would promote the message that IS doesnt want people to relly on DPS proofs as tool to decline people from joining a group or guild.
Content creators would have to do without DPS programs.
I believe that it should. It would promote the message that IS doesnt want people to relly on DPS proofs as tool to decline people from joining a group or guild.
Content creators would have to do without DPS programs.
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Edit: Before WW4 starts in here I guess I could give my opinion. WW3 still going on in the dps meter thread lol.
I'm not even clear on what the rule is on dps meters because I don't care. But if there's a rule, you have to enforce it. At least to some extent. There's always rules that are enforced strictly, and some that are enforced laxly, so who knows what they'll do.
Just in a general sense, I'm in the camp of enforce rules. This could be a hard one to enforce though.
After that (and everyone who should know better, up to Intrepid's judgement based on performance or amount of influence in the server/community), instaban, of course.
How else would you make a "dps parse/rotation" video?
If a someone posts a video of themself running content, and someone else with a combat tracker parses the combat from that video and posts it in another video online, who gets banned?
Nobody?
Unless you think that people are stupid enough not to recognize the well known characters of youtubers/streamers, and that the person doing an elaborate parse voice-over that follows EXACTLY the original videos performance as the dps tracker runs the EXACT same build of the character of the video ISNT the character/account owner.
Are you looking for another meaningless, small win with this ridiculous, forced scenario?
That question wasnt "better". That question was at best an attempt to legitimize the use of 3rd pt programs and the prevention of enforcing the rules due to imaginary scenarios.
People will be analyzing gameplay and make videos about "best builds" based on the tools that they have to analyze the game with. Intrepid should know what kind of information the player is provided with by the game, so if the video shows info that couldn't be gathered from the basic combat log or purely through visuals of the game - I'd suggest copystriking those kinds of videos. And obviously you'd need to tell the players about that rule beforehand.
it is super dumb, but i could live with bans for talking about it ingame, but to get banned for it because i showed/talked about them on streaming platforms/social media is incredibly predatory and i honestly wonder if court would rule in favor for the banned customer
fyi blizzard was/is heavily trying to control player behavior and look where that got them - intrepid should focus on making a great game and not give a flying fuck on how the game is being played
― Plato
Using a third party program is against the rules. Having a video in which a THIRD PARTY PROGRAM SHOWS THE RESULTS OF YOUR BUILD IS a good reason to get you banned.
Spare me the "alleged".
Such an overused word; overused out of fears.
In my mind, not everyone will have access to the same stuff due to the server lives. I think people will isolate streamers with parsers if most don't play with parsers. Much like certain streamers who use aimbots and silhouettes in some videos for FPS. It can destroy a streamers gig.
If 99% of players use DPS programs then banning their streamers would just cause a backlash from the player base.
If 99% of players don't use DPS programs then streamers would get a backlash from the player base first who also plays the game and knows the IS stance. In this case banning them could be a safe action if IS have strong feelings about them.
I would say that for normal mmos, the deciding moment would be the first days after release, when players and content creators would not know how developers will react.
But here there will also be a long Alpha 2 phase.
Probably big content creators will frown upon using DPS programs against the wish of IS
If some will nevertheless try to use them, IS can take their right to promote the game.
Then the angry streamers and their angry followers will know what to expect at release.
What will happen after release is harder to predict than the release date itself.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am getting a very strong impression that they have to tiptoe around content creators. Once the game is released. The big ones, let's say Asmongold will play it for a while, as will his braindead following, and then he'll return to more familiar things. Most if not all big streamers don't play a single game anymore. And so their followers will get upset no matter what.
If add-ons are not allowed, and third party programs are not allowed. Then simply accept you don't have a dps meter.
If you want to risk it, be my guest. But don't knowingly break the rules and then cry about a ban.
Especially if it has to inject. Like a bot for example, or even FFXIV's bardplayer
Tragnar is a troll that makes some stupid stuff up, I wouldnt take him that seriously.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/09/no-minors-cant-just-opt-out-of-destiny-2s-anti-cheating-provisions/
How about instead of complaining about people that appreciate objective data, we instead all sit down and realize how fucking stupid that would be as a situation.
Windows is a third party program. If third party programs were against the rules as a blanket statement, you wouldn't be able to run the game while also running Windows.
The blanket statement of "third party programs are against the rules" is just outright incorrect.
I challenge you to look up the ToS of any live MMO and do a simple word search for 'third party'. Almost without exception, the only mention of third party is in relation to the developer using third party software in the applicable game, and third party payment processing.
I cant speak for others here, but I will not let your ignorance of this ruin my gameplay.
You are saying that person A is going to create "content" in a video, not even rotation DPS parsing, and then person B is going to use a DPS tracker over persons A video and accuratly measure persons A potential in a open world PvP mmo, in which having high DPS btw doesnt amount to shit if you cant handle yourself in an unscripted situation, unlike eso, ff14, wow raiding.
What kind of stupid analysis will person B conduct from persons A video, the video that isnt relevant to DPS parsing?
Meaaure how quickly person A plays AoC? How quickly they RP, gather stones? Using a timer to count down how quickly mobs die? Who gives a F?
Would person A make a video about DPS without using a tracker, only for him to say to person B "hey are you rdy with your tracker? Ok here is my clip, and here is a stupid generic gangsta wannabe track to have on the background. Let's get them views."
What a pointless and elaborate scenario you came up with. A scenario which wont amount to anything, let alone show a builds potential.
How is that relevant to breaking the rules and receiving a ban is beyond me. Only you can stretch that connection.
Get the hell out of here with the "windows" crap.
No more pointless
-Show me your 95k dps before I invite you in the guild/group
-Show you what? My open world build, aimed to help me deal with aggressive players AND tough mobs?
People will have to treat other players as real human beings, and by playing together they will measure each others potential.
Yes anyone who streams or posts videos using third party programs should get a ban.
If DPS matters so little to you, why do you care enough to start this thread?
My point is, it is a sham of a situation where you do not allow one person to measure their effectiveness, but you allow someone else to measure it for them.
It isnt about the specific scenario, it is about the ridiculousness and absurdity of it.
As to your final sentence, if you disagree with it, back yourself up. Find a live MMO with a blanket ban on third party programs.
If you cant do that, get the fuck out of here with your biased, ignorant bullshit, and stop spreading such blatant, false 'information' around.
Do the bare minimum to back yourself up here or just shut up. Alternatively, if you wont back yourself up here, and continue to spew this same absolute drivel, at least everyone reading knows you are making shit up.
No way a slap on the hand warning isn't enough to deter people. First strike needs to be a week ban. Second strike maybe a month. Third perma ban.
Many content creators thrive on clickbait and drama.
"I got a WARNING for this Video" is much less effective for getting their effect than:
"I got BANNED for doing this!"
And they can spend a whole video not mentioning that they only got banned for a week, to make people watch the whole thing.
Short bans are almost a reward to some, in the scenario we're talking about.
And you need to not post outright misinformation.
An operating system (OS) is the program that, after being initially loaded into the computer by a boot program, manages all of the other application programs in a computer.
The OS is the program that runs on the hardware. An OS is a program by definition.
But don't take my word for it: Take a look at Linux's code