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Way to ruin the game
Oreyeon
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Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.
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If Intrepid doesn’t fund itself through a cash shop how do propose they stay in business?
Remember, there is no box cost for Ashes of Creation.
They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge.
I don't know how many servers AoC hopes to have but I think it is entirely reasonable to put world-building cosmetic assets up for Sale which allows for people to contribute to the development of the project and for additional income to be generated. As long as the lion's share of development is put into creating plenty of cool in-game achievable items then I see it as a perfectly acceptable way to generate some money.
Having a "Cosmetic package" each month with a sub-cost is entirely reasonable. (You don't have to buy them you know) I do think that Intrepid would do themselves a big favor if each Dev update when they show the Cosmetic pack items, they also showed an in-game achievable set.
You forgot to tell us that you will NEVER play the game. you should consider editing your post, so you can be in the ever growing group who feels the need to come here and tell us they will not be playing.
That's not a good answer, @Oreyeon ... I don't see a career for you on the revenue teams of any flagship MMO.
The subscription cost of $15 USD would probably double or more if you exclude the cash shop. There are already forum threads asking for a sub discount based on their country of residence or student status.
DLC/expansions won't cost more than the normal subscription (according to the Wiki). So, you can see where your idea is heading.
Remember that Intrepid is planning in-game cosmetics that are the same or better than the cash shop.
Make sure you check out the forums search feature ... before posting a new thread on a topic that is very much a dead horse.
What ends up happening is a lot of devs / artists are then needed to pump out "premium" shop items regularly. I would prefer the studio put the money paying for all that dev work to go towards more "Content" devs. So the game / world can be enhanced more, at regular intervals.
Paying a Sub fee should be enough cash for everything the game needs, and more if you have an actual good game.
Letting the content suffer for a boost to profit is not good for any game in the long term... *cough cough* WoW *cough cough*.... sorry something stuck in my throat.
I mean, making one of these monthly cosmetic packs we have been seeing probably takes one or two artists a week at most, and almost certainly pays those artists salaries (or more) for the whole month. I think, overall, that's a net positive for "content development budget".
FFXIV makes me hate it even more, on wow this cash shop grew (and grow) slowly, for FFXIV it is every 2 week a new thing or more.
For ashes of creation i have also a problem with this monthly addition of things while the game is still a dream.
My problem is not "i don't have money to all those" ... i totally fall for it on BDO, where my Dark Knight has 80% of the outfits (and probably all weapons/awakening weapons)
Now, lets get real...
15 or 20 years ago, the sub was 15 bucks or close (vary from games to other) and today... 15 bucks...
salary did stagnate ? sure servers probably are cheaper to maintain now than before, but all employees, be it developers or people working on servers cost more now than 10, 15 or 20 years ago... So price stagnate, cost rises... Need to explain more ?
Not even need to debate about benefits to point that there is a need to get more income...
I personally would totally prefer a 20 bucks sub, and would be ok to go up to 25... i prefer a game with a subscription, and "all same for everyone" as it was in "the good old days"... But you, the op, could you be ok for such prices to play ?
Are people going to pay $30/month for an MMO subscription when games are pushing the whole industry toward free-to-play games with their actions? Probably not. So cash shop for cosmetics + monthly sub it is
EDIT: All that having been said, I have been concerned at times about the sheer volume of FOMO pre-launch cosmetics for a game that is supposedly fully funded.
They're not charging money for expansions, the expansions come "free" with the sub cost.
Move along folks, next shitpost.
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Don't get me wrong, I wish we could go back in time where you only had to pay for subscriptions and there was no Cash Shop. But Ashes' model is better than any other game out there today, afaik.
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Everytime this thread gets re-made, I'm always surprised no one brings it up any sooner:
It's specifically been stated and re-stated in the monthly dev update videos that you will 1) be able to get a variant of anything in the cash shop by looting/crafting it in-game, and 2) the best-looking variants of each set of armor/clothing are reserved for in-game achievement.
Given this information, your complaint boils down to: "NO! NOOOOOOO! I don't WANT people to look the way THEY want to, until they've played for SEVERAL MONTHS!"
Just remember: not everyone coming to Verra will be of the lower-classes nor a resource-less orphan; There will be nobility and well-off individuals accompanying the Return. I'm just super-glad that the only things that the cash shop will sell are cosmetic-only items; No one's going to have the ability to turn real cash into in-game money.
Okay now think of all the people in your same situation who wouldn't find the increased cost justifiable. Because I can tell you there'd be alot out there. We already get people coming in asking about lowered subscription fees due to their country of origin now. Imagine what it would be like if they doubled the price.
It's pretty obvious the game would be inaccessible to many.
I don't mind having cash shops as long as they don't start selling "pay for conveniance" things in the shop.
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Calling other people incels don't bring back your dad 😥
Guessing you are done playing mmorpgs forever then?
Bruh.
Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility?
All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money.
Otherwise youd be paying way more without them.