Regarding the Hammer Ability

Small critique.. This ability doesn’t look right when you are using weapons such as daggers or a Greatsword. I don’t know if this is a preset animation that will eventually be changed in the future or what, but I think we need something different and unique to the weapons your using or class you’re playing. A godly smite hammer makes sense if you are wielding a hammer or can summon the gods as a class such as a paladin. A godly smite hammer doesn’t make sense when you wield daggers or greatsword on a warrior like class.

Some Suggestions:

One suggestion is this should be looked at and changed for stabbing and slashing type weapons. Creating a different animation or skill for that specific skill of a random giant crushing hammer to make sense. For example, add a Giant thrusting pointed tip as you charge a lunge then release it in a stabbing motion on stabbing weapons. Adding blue coloration as a detail to the pointed tip when using a stabbing weapon like daggers, rapiers, spears. For slashing weapons, you could maybe do a red effect of a sweep horizontal or vertical either a) multiple crosscuts with a red bleed like coloration effect or b) a singular sweep with a giant slash effect with the same coloration mentioned in point a)

Another suggestion is being based on the class your playing rather than the weapon you’re wielding. Warriors shouldn’t really be calling the wrath of the gods opposed to paladins being able to such a thing. A warrior should be using no form of magic skills and be purely relying on their raw strength and rage to deal damage to their targets. That is why the whirlwind ability, a classic skill, makes sense when wielding a greatsword, while a giant hammer being summoned out of thin air does not make sense for a warrior. For a paladin wielding even a sword a shield though? That makes way more sense .. they are calling for holy divine energy to be manifested and used against enemies.

I will say this, the hammer skill itself is a cool animation and makes sense in the examples listed above. So please devs, I request you look at this in preparation for the games launch. I just want classes and/or weapons to have unique abilities. It adds to the flavor and look of the game, which I see you guys put your heart and soul into the creative side of things as this game has been being developed. Please don’t let this fall to the wayside and be ignored.

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Tenaciel

It's just me, or the huge conjured hammer for the fighter archetype is a little...unnatural? Maybe after you take your secondary archetype as summoner or mage...but as a basic skill for a phisical class?

Halae

Yes, as a skill for a physical class. What do you want him to do, punch the ground so hard it explodes into a burst of magma? Spin so hard he creates a tornado? Do an anime-style Flash Step? Channel the power of an animal through his weapon?

That it's a weird ethereal hammer is immaterial. Fighters and other 'martial' characters get magical abilities as part of their class kit all the time, at least in games that aren't attempting to go squeeze 'realism' until it's a meaningless word. And if you don't like the more overtly magical-looking abilities for your own fighter character, you can just choose not to invest in them.

Veeshan

I think the hammer would suite fighter with the cleric as a secondary but probably not base kit

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Fantmx

Seemed much more like a cleric spell, especially with the color and the animation.

Depraved

i thought it was weird too..specially few months ago when they showcased it with daggers

Solmyr

I get that they're going for a super high fantasy aesthetic where magic is everywhere, I just wish the magic reflected the theme of the class a little better. Fighters' abilities should be more about superhuman strength than conjuring spectral weapons.

daveywavey

It surprised me a little when it was first used, but I figure it's something that we'll get used to and come to expect. Maybe all they'd need to do is change the colour of it so that it's a little darker, like a light-grey or something like that. I dunno how practical it would be for each archetype to have their own colourings for their particular skills?

Lust69

I agree when I saw this ability I felt like something was off. Yes it doesn’t suit a warrior. The impact of the ability feels light to, it doesn’t seem to have any weight behind it. Also looks like it needs to be aimed which is awkward. Looks like it misses.

Azherae

Halae wrote: »

Yes, as a skill for a physical class. What do you want him to do, punch the ground so hard it explodes into a burst of magma? Spin so hard he creates a tornado? Do an anime-style Flash Step? Channel the power of an animal through his weapon?

To be 'fair' though, 'punch the ground so hard it explodes in a burst of magma would, in nearly any other game, be the 'expected and correct' way to achieve the effect required here.

I don't think it would work in Ashes as EASILY because I think the point is to telegraph the attack more easily, and if you augment it with an element, some might not look as sensible.

But on the other hand, they have the 'easy' option of making an attack like that where the 'function' is 'hit this AoE in front of me' have many different visual indicators, if the animators have time (could even be 'cheap' and borrow from different creatures with similar 'impact' abilities).

I mention this only to say that if you don't like the 'Celestial Hammer' and others do, rather than clashing over it, we might be better served trying to get Intrepid to change the 'base ability', to give "Celestial Hammer" as like, one of the visuals for the Highsword Augment options, and if more people come with the 'I don't like the groundbreaker punch/slam either', find out what THEY want to put under it.

I don't think anyone's seriously going to complain if the Highsword in their party who WANTS the shiny Hammer has it, right?

Percimes

Replace the hammer with a giant-sized sandaled foot.

George_Black

That skill needs more thought put into it.
I dont like it for Fighters. It doesnt suit them.

George_Black

The magic hammer has to go. It doesnt suit fighters.
Fighters need detailed physical combat animations for a variety of melee weapons. You cant have them cast spells because it's easy for the development.

Here we are, talking about surveying, scribing, cartography and so many other deep details for boring work simulators and the Fighter class gets a spin to win that has the same animations even between 2 daggers, a greatsword and most likely all other weapons (spear dualswords, sword/shield) and a magic hammer?

The first video where the fighter featured was titled "melee combat" so I had hope, but in the latest update Steven said "the fighter will tank for us today" so it looks pretty solidified that the hammer is the main fighter ability, just like in AA.
It looks so bad and many people wont slot the ability out of dislike, at a great viability cost.

It has to go.

Krumdark

George_Black wrote: »

That skill needs more thought put into it.
I dont like it for Fighters. It doesnt suit them.

Me neither.. I think just removing the skill entirely and making an animation that would make sense for the other melee classes or all the weapons would make more sense.

Depraved

it should maybe take the appearance of the equipped weapon

Krumdark

Depraved wrote: »

it should maybe take the appearance of the equipped weapon

Don’t know if I agree with that. I think it would just look super awkward if a giant manifested rapier were to come out of the the sky and swing down as if it were crushing an enemy. If it manifested into said weapon and did a lunging strike that would be cool though.

Krumdark

Solmyr wrote: »

I get that they're going for a super high fantasy aesthetic where magic is everywhere, I just wish the magic reflected the theme of the class a little better. Fighters' abilities should be more about superhuman strength than conjuring spectral weapons.

Agreed with this. It should be like berserk slashes that cross cut or a slashing like animation of some sort. Maybe with daggers a flurry of stabs or a cool backstab lunging animation.

Tenaciel

I'm happy I'm not alone with this. I think the spell, and its animation is good, maybe they can use it somewhere else (summoner, or mage augmentation?!).

TheDarkSorcerer

I agree with this. The huge hammer should change appearance to whatever weapon you have equipped. In my personal opinion I find it to be a little obnoxious for a warrior.

Uboon

It would look fine if the fighter had a massive hammer, which turned in to an even larger magic hammer, that then hit the spot ahead of the fighter.

The problem is, skills are not tied to weapons (mostly). So there are going to be some pretty incongruous actions.

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