Things to keep us playing end game

Last I heard Ashes has no end game.

Lust69 wrote: »

I thought I’d create a thread for things to keep us playing at end game.

The first thing I thought of was a boss mob that re-spawns more difficult each time it dies continually.

We need something ground breaking in this game that everyone is excited about. I don’t know what that could be. When you have everything what would keep you playing?

Guild vendettas is something I played a game for a long time at end game because there was always this rivalry and we wanted to own the guild village. This gave us more motivation than anything we hated them but that’s what kept me playing.

What ideas do you have?

I think I'm content with what we are theoretically getting.

I don't really think it's worth trying to sort through 'what Intrepid has confirmed' vs 'the stuff I am imagining based on my own interpretation of design'.

So, basically, trade and change based on the Node system, Dynamic and randomized boss functions, group-balanced PvP, legendary items and item maintenance, and enough clear, soft roleplay options to keep the world feeling like an actual story instead of what sandbox competitives normally turn into.

To me, Intrepid already seems to have this well set to achieve their concept of 'no real endgame', the question is how many players will be willing to play after they hit 'maintenance point' due to the rivalries/soft RP, until the next 'expansion'.

I want slow enough gear acquisition to prevent the majority of players from just getting full BiS in a month or so. That, coupled with all the pvp content in the game, and a deep enough support for RP should support the game for years to come. Obviously there's gonna be expansions, which will most likely support that slow gear grind upwards, but that's a discussion for a much later date.

Players can just buy the gear. Only speed bumps would be lack of funds.

Neurath wrote: »

Players can just buy the gear. Only speed bumps would be lack of funds.

You can't buy gear if there's not enough gear to go around. And I want that to be the case

Neurath wrote: »

Players can just buy the gear. Only speed bumps would be lack of funds.

Acquisition rate of the materials is most likely what @NiKr is referring to.

Certainly the strongest and wealthiest will have BiS quickly, but if BiS sword drops off a Weekly mob spawn, 'the Majority' isn't going to be geared in a month.

Well, it would just put the prices up which means those with enough dollar can still buy the stuff. The other avenue is gatherers who can gather what they want whenever they can.

Neurath wrote: »

Well, it would just put the prices up which means those with enough dollar can still buy the stuff. The other avenue is gatherers who can gather what they want whenever they can.

Like Azherae said, you literally can't buy what isn't there. If there's only 5 pieces of any given BiS gear on the server - 100 people can't "just buy" more.

And if the top people are greedy enough (usually are), then those 5 pieces will put a tax on any incoming mats, because they need repair.

Neurath wrote: »

Well, it would just put the prices up which means those with enough dollar can still buy the stuff. The other avenue is gatherers who can gather what they want whenever they can.

Yes, but again note 'the Majority'.

Some games don't limit the number of spawns, they allow players to enter instances to earn their BiS gear materials, or 'Spawn a World Boss once a day and everyone who participates has at least some chance of getting it'.

I'm talking about things like "This boss spawns once every 4 days and has a 10% chance of dropping a single one of the material needed to make this weapon'.

No matter what you do in that case, even if only a hundredth of the players on a server needs that item, they will still be 'working on it for years'.

There is no percentage chance for resources to drop - you need a top tier gatherer and then you get the resource from the corpse. I guess the particular resource might depend on randomisation but the prerequisite is only a high tier gatherer.

Neurath wrote: »

There is no percentage chance for resources to drop - you need a top tier gatherer and then you get the resource from the corpse. I guess the particular resource might depend on randomisation but the prerequisite is only a high tier gatherer.

I would like a concrete source on this.

Nothing I have read indicates this is guaranteed at all.

Neurath wrote: »

There is no percentage chance for resources to drop - you need a top tier gatherer and then you get the resource from the corpse. I guess the particular resource might depend on randomisation but the prerequisite is only a high tier gatherer.

Yes, and a gear piece might need 15 of those items and the boss that has a 7-day respawn only gives one. There you have yourself a 15-week craft of a single piece of gear. Now even I'd say that this is a bit too long, but that's roughly along the lines of what I'm talking about.

It's from a livestream years ago. Back when we still had Jeff. No one would be able to create a piece of armour if the drop chance was 10% every 4 days. All of the resources would be used for repairs.

However, we just had the less is more or more is less thread so the old stance might change.

Lust69

All very good replies there is certainly going to be much more going on at end game than most games we know of but we are just discussing content we already know about.

What do we do when our guild has full control over the nodes and maxed them. Got all the gear from the dynamic and randomised boss mobs. Pvp against your rival is old and have all the legendary items and role-played for months.

Does anyone have any new ideas for this game at what some would consider end game? I feel like there could be something new and exciting.

Lust69 wrote: »

All very good replies there is certainly going to be much more going on at end game than most games we know of but we are just discussing content we already know about.

What do we do when our guild has full control over the nodes and maxed them. Got all the gear from the dynamic and randomised boss mobs. Pvp against your rival is old and have all the legendary items and role-played for months.

Does anyone have any new ideas for this game at what some would consider end game? I feel like there could be something new and exciting.

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

If my guild has control over Metropolis A, there's a chance that the guild controlling Metropolis B will want Metropolis A to be brought down for some reason. Maybe even just to weaken my guild.

That would result in new rivals, new bosses, new RP.

You basically defined it as 'what if every dynamic aspect of the game stopped being dynamic, what other new and exciting ideas do you have?'

Is that right?

Neurath wrote: »

It's from a livestream years ago. Back when we still had Jeff. No one would be able to create a piece of armour if the drop chance was 10% every 4 days. All of the resources would be used for repairs.

However, we just had the less is more or more is less thread so the old stance might change.

That was just an example. My point was to just keep the inflow of mats on the slower side rather than the classic instanced mmo speed of "whoever the fuck wants it gets it asap".

Lust69 wrote: »

Does anyone have any new ideas for this game at what some would consider end game? I feel like there could be something new and exciting.

I think all the bicycles of the genre have been reinvented already. Not much you can come up with outside of bosses/quests/pvp.

Lust69

Azherae wrote: »

Lust69 wrote: »

All very good replies there is certainly going to be much more going on at end game than most games we know of but we are just discussing content we already know about.

What do we do when our guild has full control over the nodes and maxed them. Got all the gear from the dynamic and randomised boss mobs. Pvp against your rival is old and have all the legendary items and role-played for months.

Does anyone have any new ideas for this game at what some would consider end game? I feel like there could be something new and exciting.

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

If my guild has control over Metropolis A, there's a chance that the guild controlling Metropolis B will want Metropolis A to be brought down for some reason. Maybe even just to weaken my guild.

That would result in new rivals, new bosses, new RP.

You basically defined it as 'what if every dynamic aspect of the game stopped being dynamic, what other new and exciting ideas do you have?'

Is that right?

Everything stopping being dynamic could be used as a basis to come up with new content, yes but I think the content you refer to isn’t really dynamic enough as in a constant change, activity, or progress. New rivals, new bosses and new RP is going to stop being dynamic after a few months. How many bosses will it be before it’s just another boss. How many rivals will it be until it’s just another rival and I guess RP could last a long time but even that will get old. This content is still going to be very good. But why stop there? There could be something we are missing that could make this game even better that’s what I’m trying to find.