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Which class name instead of "TANK" ?

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  • I think a better name for the archetype would be Protector or Guardian. As for me, Ranger+cleric does not appear in the name Protector. A priest who has become one with nature... Perhaps this is Volhv, Voodoo priest(Voodooist) or Witch Doctor, but I don’t really understand how Protector relates to this. Although maybe I misunderstand what the class will be. But IMHO Protector is the most accurate name for the archetype that is designed to protect its allies.
  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Apok wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Apok wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Me every time this thread gets revived
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERkZvFAdNWY

    that's my reaction to whenever I see people posting stuff like "high quality memes" instead of having an actual intelligent conversation. Starting to think everyone around here is sharing the same brain cell

    You know what... I think every tank class should just be tank as well. But like, wizard tank. Sneaky tank. Musical tank. Tanky Tank

    why would you even say that, I'm curious what drives someone to make stupid posts like this. does it upset you to see people actually knowing how to use their brain? did your parents not pay you enough attention growing up so you need to hijack threads with stupid nonsense posts to be noticed?

    like what is your driving force here?

    you can feign ignorance all you want but we both know your saying this just to be a clown

    Simple, you got upset over me commenting with humor about how this thread always gets resurrected. Called me stupid. And now I'm using more humor about the post as opposed to resorting to insulting you back, yet still making you mad about making funnies.

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  • BlrrghBlrrgh Member, Alpha Two
    Don't worry everyone, I am here to assure you that it is ok for the archetype to be tank, and it is also ok to be creative with other naming ideas, and it is also ok to make light of necrothreads due to multi-year fatigue of the same discussions, and it is also ok to necro threads because you are getting excited about the game, and want to talk about it, and it is also ok to produce awesome run-on sentences, and it is also ok to be bad at spelling and syntax, and it is also ok to be ok, ok? Ok.
  • grm125grm125 Member, Alpha Two
    edited October 29
    Knight sounds good to me as it fits all the icons and art assets that ive seen so far, the kite shield and plate style. Bump the knight subclass to something else. Also acceptable any of the other mentioned suggestions honestly.

    Either that or rename all the classes to their generic placeholders like we saw in the guild tab in a2. "Tank" is clearly a placeholder and feels so out of place when used conversationally. Surely the contrarians saying keep tank wouldnt want to rename bard to "support" and cleric to "healer" so why on earth is this conversation around the name perpetuating.
    edit: i will also accept a 120mm smoothbore cannon ability as compensation
  • JayGeL44 wrote: »
    Myosotys wrote: »
    Neurath wrote: »
    I'm not certain of that. The countless threads asking to change tank have no succeeded and tank has grown in my mind.

    I am happy that you like it... Personally, I find it both funny and ridiculous to have a class with the name of a military vehicle from the second half of the 20th century. Worse! the name of a water reservoir. And "countless threads" show that Im not the only one to hate it...

    That's actually where the name came from! The English used the code name "Tank" to disguise the development of the weapon under a guise of a water reservoir company! It allowed for the explanation for giant sheets of metal shipments being used for water "Tanks." Cistern and reservoir were also both used as code names for the project. But if you view a tank as a giant reservoir of health, you can kinda convince yourself it makes sense!

    A class which has the meaning of cistern is ridiculous so according to me Tank should be Guardian.

    And the Guardian - Guardian a Defender.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Blrrgh wrote: »
    Don't worry everyone, I am here to assure you that it is ok for the archetype to be tank, and it is also ok to be creative with other naming ideas, and it is also ok to make light of necrothreads due to multi-year fatigue of the same discussions, and it is also ok to necro threads because you are getting excited about the game, and want to talk about it, and it is also ok to produce awesome run-on sentences, and it is also ok to be bad at spelling and syntax, and it is also ok to be ok, ok? Ok.

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  • ApokApok Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Apok wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Apok wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Me every time this thread gets revived
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERkZvFAdNWY

    that's my reaction to whenever I see people posting stuff like "high quality memes" instead of having an actual intelligent conversation. Starting to think everyone around here is sharing the same brain cell

    You know what... I think every tank class should just be tank as well. But like, wizard tank. Sneaky tank. Musical tank. Tanky Tank

    why would you even say that, I'm curious what drives someone to make stupid posts like this. does it upset you to see people actually knowing how to use their brain? did your parents not pay you enough attention growing up so you need to hijack threads with stupid nonsense posts to be noticed?

    like what is your driving force here?

    you can feign ignorance all you want but we both know your saying this just to be a clown

    Simple, you got upset over me commenting with humor about how this thread always gets resurrected. Called me stupid. And now I'm using more humor about the post as opposed to resorting to insulting you back, yet still making you mad about making funnies.

    you're hijacking a thread for attention, that's not humor that's being a troll
  • I was in an RP guild on WoW and I remember a whole discussion on whether we could use "Tank" without breaking the rules (immersion).

    It was a long debate, but in the end common sense ruled and because no one could come up with a word that was both a noun and a verb that described what was going on better, "Tank" was allowed.

    Save hours of your life for better things, because this has been argued ad nauseum before now and the result came out tank. It is a in game term that has no equivalent idea in any real life situation.
  • Flashfirez23Flashfirez23 Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 1
    I like defender or the idea of changing it to guardian and changing tank/tank to something else.
  • MyosotysMyosotys Member
    edited November 1
    RedLeader wrote: »
    I was in an RP guild on WoW and I remember a whole discussion on whether we could use "Tank" without breaking the rules (immersion).

    It was a long debate, but in the end common sense ruled and because no one could come up with a word that was both a noun and a verb that described what was going on better, "Tank" was allowed.

    Save hours of your life for better things, because this has been argued ad nauseum before now and the result came out tank. It is a in game term that has no equivalent idea in any real life situation.

    And you also had right to call magic classes "Casters" ?
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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    Do your Tank bingo and see if the name you want is already used....
  • RedLeader1RedLeader1 Member
    edited November 1
    Myosotys wrote: »

    And you also had right to call magic classes "Casters" ?

    Yes, absolutely. But DPS was not allowed, because it is a game mechanic rather than a real life thing (using "real" very loosely). Couldn't use aggro, that sort of thing. Could use it in voice chat but not in game. We did have role playing night, when we would raid without voice and just use chat, which was strangely entertaining. Which was when the tank debate happened. It was really hard for the raid leader, not to use "Tank". I mean it was kind of fun the first time, watching the mental gymnastics, but we realized that we might not have a raid leader if we pushed it! There was a lot of laughs and drinking going on. It was a lot of fun, much less boss killing - sorry if it sounds too nerdy!
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited November 1
    RedLeader wrote: »
    There was a lot of ... drinking going on.

    Honestly, just this while raiding is all that is needed.

    That is one of the great things about instanced content - you and your friends can get quite drunk - well past the point where it greatly reduces your ability to play well, and just go at what ever is in front of you. You aren't bothering anyone, you aren't negatively impacting any standing on the server you may have, you are just having a shitload of fun, while drunk, with good friends.

    The next day, the only in game issues you have to face are that of a repair cost.

    In an open world PvP game, a night like this would often result in a number of people leaving the game for good - where as in a game with instanced PvE content, people were logging in just for this one night (I spent a few years running weekly drunk raids for former guild mates and rl friends - it was the only thing that kept those people subscribed to the game).
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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    Do your Tank bingo and see if the name you want is already used....

    After all the years of this thread. I am surprised I have not seen any one take issue with the two class names that are worse than tank:

    Keeper - Which is just uncreative and a waste when I am sure there is a better word for tank/summoner.

    Predator - Might as well be tumblr or redditor. XD Just not sure people are going to be lining up to be a predator.

    I will say I think my opinion on this topic has changed a little after years of seeing this thread. I would like to see them take a second pass at naming all the classes. Maybe take some of the worst names and let the community vote/propose better names.

    It would not hurt the game to have the best name for each combination.

    It does feel a little better when you like the name of the combination you are playing.
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    If I had more time, I would write a shorter post.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    And yet, nobody ever mentions "Scion" (Ranger/Mage)

    "noun
    - a descendant or heir, especially of a wealthy or powerful family:
    Synonyms: progeny, offshoot, issue, child

    - a shoot or twig, especially one cut for grafting or planting; a cutting.
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  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 1
    I agree, the 64 class archetypes need another rethink.

    Like why is a Tank/Bard a Siren, But a Ranger/Tank a Warden when a Bard/Ranger a Song Warden, then a Summoner/Tank a Brood Warden?...Clearly a Bard/Ranger needs to be renamed to something not a Warden...

    Fighter/Cleric is a Templar but a Cleric/Fighter is a HighSword? surely it should be a Battle or Warpriest when the Mage/Fighter is a Battlemage....

    Ranger/Bard=BowSinger?...A Shotcaller sounds better to me, Considering a Fighter/Summoner is somehow a Blade Caller...But a Fighter/Bard is a Blade Dancer, Though a Summoner Bard is a Songcaller (just rename it to Evoker)...convoluted much me thinks....

    I think Tank should be replaced with Guardian and that Juggernaut, Defender and Bulwark retake the places of Guardian, Siren and Keeper.



    For the record I will be calling my Bard/Cleric a Dream Weaver and not a Soul Weaver...

    Maybe there is already a thread regarding the 64class rework/reevaluation...But I'll just stick this piece here...
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 1
    Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with how they are. It's just a name, at the end of the day. We're all going to be abbreviating them or using other ways to describe ourselves, anyway. I fully expect to see more "T/Ma" than "Spellshield - what's that again? - it's a Tank/Mage"
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  • edited November 1
    Anything at this point would be better. Same applies to some of its ability names.

    Tank => Guardian
    Tank + Tank class => Kingsguard
    Absorption Field => Rallying Banner

    Sorted.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with how they are. It's just a name, at the end of the day. We're all going to abbreviating them or using other ways to describe ourselves, anyway. I fully expect to see more "T/Ma" than "Spellshield - what's that again? - it's a Tank/Mage"

    Yeah the global chat will end up looking like.

    T/F/S/Ra/Ro/M/C/B In whatever combination

  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Anything at this point would be better. Same applies to some of its ability names.

    Tank => Guardian
    Tank + Tank class => Kingsguard
    Absorption Field => Rallying Banner

    Sorted.

    What if you're not guarding anything?
    What if the ruler of your castle is a queen? Or if you don't have a monarchy at all?
    The rallying banner spawns the Absorption Field, so it's still the main focus of the skill. Changing the name to Rallying Banner would hide the true meaning of the skill.

    Not sorted.

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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Picking your class should be simple and easy to do. When you see the name tank everyone knows the role that's going to fill. People can quickly make their character and start playing instead of spending tons of time researching what each of the names mean. At level 25 when you click your secondary archetype. By then you'll know the game well enough to know what direction you want to go in. That's when the class system becomes more complex. The class tank helps things make it simple for new players that don't know a lot about the game.
  • edited November 1
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Anything at this point would be better. Same applies to some of its ability names.

    Tank => Guardian
    Tank + Tank class => Kingsguard
    Absorption Field => Rallying Banner

    Sorted.

    What if you're not guarding anything?
    What if the ruler of your castle is a queen? Or if you don't have a monarchy at all?
    The rallying banner spawns the Absorption Field, so it's still the main focus of the skill. Changing the name to Rallying Banner would hide the true meaning of the skill.

    Not sorted.

    :D
    Let me try from another angle:

    Tank archetype name is too functional and devoid of the class fantasy
    The Absorption Field skill name is too functional devoid of the class fantasy.
    Go, creatives go, come up with something which inspires a sense of wonder. THAT isn't it.

    PS

    I also hope the Tank's Wall skill also gets updated VFX it looks like jelly cubes. I like jelly, but I prefer my combat games experience slightly less "cute".
  • I would personally be fine if they renamed it "meat shield" since the main problem seems to be that it is named after a modern warmachine or a cistern. I would also be fine if the base name of mage was caster, the cleric was healer (in fact specially so, I don't like the idea of healing being from worshiping a god. If the god is so pwerful and can heal wounds why can't it simply purify everything thats wrong and lets us live peacful and uneventful yet happy lives?), the rogue was stealther, the ranger was archer, the fighter was melee damage.

    It is a game. It is ok for some things in the game to be named purely and simply by what they do. Yes tank is a game slang word. So what? Pretty much everyone knows what it means and in this day and age it seems avoiding the almost inevitable "I chose knight (or <insert other cool sounding name here>) because it sounded awesome only to find I am weak as piss but wont die and am just supposed to soak damage. this isn't fun BUFF ME NNOOAAWW!!"!! Is better than many many people dedicating hours to come up with somthing better.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    If the god is so pwerful and can heal wounds why can't it simply purify everything thats wrong and lets us live peacful and uneventful yet happy lives?

    Daaaamn, your game sounds boring.
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  • Yeah i agree, all the streamers i watch also disapproved this class name

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