How about damaging gear in the inventory too upon death?

If a player dies, the gear he is wearing will suffer damage. However, what if the gear in their inventory also suffered damage? Would this be too excessive or an appropriate feature to include?

Since there will be no loot drops of finished items from your bag, this could allow people using naked mule characters with nothing but gear in their inventory. The naked mule alt is a thing, this already exists in another game and I am certain it will exist in AoC.

Consider all possible scenarios, PvE and owPvP.

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Noaani

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

I used to play a ton of Tarkov, which (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) had this feature! It certainly fits in Tarkov, as that game is a hardcore, full-loot PvP shooter 🔫😱

Yeah, and look at the state of that game now.

tarkov is a 3D shooter, its a pew pew game, not a MMO! what is kiling tarkov is the cheating, there are too many people using hacks, other than that people love the game

Yes, I know.

There is a direct correlation to the death penalty of that game and the level and sophistication of cheating.

This is the point I was making.

Fantmx

I would like to see it depend on how the person died and what the armor was. If they were set on fire and a ton of cloth items, then it makes sense for them to be damaged. If they are carrying a lot of metal worked items, not so much. Perhaps if they died by drowning then metal worked items would need repair and cloth would not. I am sure there are plenty more examples.

ClintHardwood

I second this suggestion. Ashes is already looking like it'll be too safe to have a reliable economy. Anything that pushes loot out of circulation will always be good.

Veeshan

but i love when people start stripping in combat to stop there gear decaying *sarcasm btw*

Veeshan

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

if i know i will die i could unequip my gear and save some money, i would feel i am cheating

there was one game i played where you kept inventory but dropped your equiped gear and people would just strip when they think there gonna die was kinda fked i forgot the game though it was years ago was changed after awhile though where you couldn unequip thing while in combat

Arya_Yeshe

Veeshan wrote: »

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

if i know i will die i could unequip my gear and save some money, i would feel i am cheating

there was one game i played where you kept inventory but dropped your equiped gear and people would just strip when they think there gonna die was kinda fked i forgot the game though it was years ago was changed after awhile though where you couldn unequip thing while in combat

Let me sneak in this talk lol, Idk which game you are refering to, but I think when I played multiplayer Diablo 2 this was the case. Because you can swap weapons, then this offers a layer of safety to your best gear.

There was a game that this was the case, I'm not sure if it was Diablo 2, maybe it was

Arya_Yeshe

Veeshan wrote: »

but i love when people start stripping in combat to stop there gear decaying *sarcasm btw*

In EVE some people even jettison (eject to space) their cargo just not to be shamed on the kill report, since in EVE all kill reports are kept forever and you can transmit the kill reports to everybody else! The kill can even be shared online on a site called zkillboard

People also unplug their implants, sometimes the guy is in a ship work 1 milion ISK but his implants are worth 2 bilion ISK... so if the guy is fast and he knows he will die he destroy his own brain implants asap before death. This is how people wash kill reports before dying

Arya_Yeshe

Here's a proposal:

green eqquiped gear: standard damage
green inventory gear: half damage
purple eqquiped gear: half damage
purple inventory gear: 1/4th damage

Mag7spy

MrPockets wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'm not stating anything of the sort until I see actual raids. It's still a no because of the same issues around loot and repair. Sometimes I feel you just want to fuck the game up with your suggestions.

I believe most suggestions of this manner are 100% in good faith. MMO economies needs various money/item sinks to function in a healthy way.

As stated many times from Steven himself, the game is heavily designed around risk vs reward. Assuming having access to multiple gear sets leads to the greatest reward (being able to handle ALL situations a raid throws at you)...in the spirit of risk vs reward, doesn't it seem reasonable that there should be a risk tied to that?

Regardless of this specific suggestion, these types of risk/reward mechanics are at the core design philosophy of the game, so I'm not sure why you'd think someone suggesting similar mechanics is trying to "fuck up the game".

Repairing gear isn't about going to a shop and clicking repair, it needs mats and if it is rare gear you need more expensive mats. I agree with him that she gives some really bad ideas that would ruin the game, or doesn't understand all the concepts of the game.

New world had this and it was terrible. AoC having this would be even worse. If you have multiple ger sets in your bad that is completely fine, you worked for it and invested in it. And upon using it you will naturally get it damaged.

Unsure if you have been keeping up with this persons post but everything revolves around making the game experience as terrible as possible for people. Like survival element level minus the fun. Granted IS knows what they are doing and will shift through the good and bad feedback.

Songcaller

You wouldnt waste our time with crap if you understood the vision. The whole idea to venture far and wide whilst cycling armour sets dependant on challenge seems foreign to you. Why you believe there needs to be a stealth tax is beyond me. Much of what you suggest elsewhere revolves around stealth taxes too.

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

You wouldnt waste our time with crap if you understood the vision. The whole idea to venture far and wide whilst cycling armour sets dependant on challenge seems foreign to you. Why you believe there needs to be a stealth tax is beyond me. Much of what you suggest elsewhere revolves around stealth taxes too.

The vision is risk-reward on a personal and group level, being the greatest risks on group level only

That's the vision and having to spend on a bit materials on damaged gear in the inventory is a tiny risk compared to losing all your homes, freeholds, warehouses and node

Anyway, if you only come to thread to trash it while other people talk, then there's no reason to be here, there's many other threads and you can start your own threads too

Arya_Yeshe

Using your character for hidding gear in the inventory and avoid the penalties is not intended gameplay by any means

That is morally equivalent to using exploits

MrPockets

Mag7spy wrote: »

Unsure if you have been keeping up with this persons post but everything revolves around making the game experience as terrible as possible for people. Like survival element level minus the fun. Granted IS knows what they are doing and will shift through the good and bad feedback.

Let me clarify what I meant.
I was specifically responding to this

Neurath wrote: »

Sometimes I feel you just want to fuck the game up with your suggestions.

I don't think the OP is INTENTIALLY trying to "fuck the game up". I find this (and other similar suggestions) in line with the core risk vs reward design philosophy.

I think it is pretty obvious when an idea is in line with the core design principles, but that doesn't mean that idea is a good fit for the game. It ALSO doesn't mean the person proposing the idea is trying to "sabotage" the game. I see no benefit in attacking people who are just trying to share their ideas with the community.

Songcaller

It's not about hiding gear in inventory. It's about your obsession with gear degradation. You either want to tax nodes based on gear degradation or tax the whole player base based on gear degradation.

You can butter it up, roll it in and bake it but you come across as the gear degradation carebear.

Arya_Yeshe

MrPockets wrote: »

I think it is pretty obvious when an idea is in line with the core design principles, but that doesn't mean that idea is a good fit for the game. It ALSO doesn't mean the person proposing the idea is trying to "sabotage" the game. I see no benefit in attacking people who are just trying to share their ideas with the community.

Exactly

Also, they keep stalking me and making personal attacks and they kept reporting me too
I will have to start frequently reporting them and if the mods don't do anything, I will have to send this to Steven

This thread is pretty much in the vision, if they don't like this, they can state their opinions and let other people talk in peace

I'm not kidding around, they keep comming at me for months already and they do not discuss the point of the discussion, they bypass the discussion and come right at my throat. They try to invalidate me as a person in the attempt to destroy the entire discussion in one go

Songcaller

I haven't reported you once or blocked you in fact. I'm far more selective with my precision strikes. You can't counter the points and must resort to actual attacks. You are quick to call everyone a carebear but can't be called a carebear in kind lol.

I've been on point in the thread so I have no recourse.

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

I haven't reported you once or blocked you in fact. I'm far more selective with my precision strikes. You can't counter the points and must resort to actual attacks. You are quick to call everyone a carebear but can't be called a carebear in kind lol.

I've been on point in the thread so I have no recourse.

I never personally attack anyone, have I ever called you a carebear?
No

By the way carebearing is a philosophy, a style of gameplay... and recently it's you people who bring this up and it's not even me

Neurath wrote: »

You wouldnt waste our time with crap if you understood the vision.

There's your personal attack right there, saying outloud with not shame that I can't understand basic things, which is comming here just to call me stupid

Just because you are dancing around words and invisible lines, it doesn't mean we don't understand what you are doing here

That's the person I am?
I only bring crap
I only want to destroy
I only want to attack
I never understand anything

Arya_Yeshe

Mag7spy wrote: »

she gives some really bad ideas that would ruin the game, or doesn't understand all the concepts of the game.

Unsure if you have been keeping up with this persons post but everything revolves around making the game experience as terrible as possible for people

Another personal attack

Songcaller

So are you agreeing you waste our time with crap? Because otherwise I fail to see the impact or the sensationalism. Personally, I'd have followed Mr pockets and brought up the swearing part of the thread.

Frankly, I've either maintained the thin line in this thread or I haven't but so far you claim I haven't with no evidence to corroborate the aspects. Either way, I still don't like the idea and I still don't see your ability to sway the idea in your favour.

MrPockets

Neurath wrote: »

Either way, I still don't like the idea and I still don't see your ability to sway the idea in your favour.

This is something we can verify. Let's go back and re-read this thread.....

Results:
This doesn't include OP, and some posts I considered neutral, since their stance wasn't obvious. (personally I am more in favor of the idea than opposed)
For: 5
Against: 3

In general, the people in favor of this idea, gravitate towards the economy or risk/reward side(s) of the argument, whereas those opposed argue about high repair costs for players who want to have multiple gear sets.

So it seems the idea already IS in @Arya_Yeshe favor. *shrug*

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