About the Skins/Cosmetics/Transmog policy in AOC

Stop me if I've misunderstood this subject, but I think the skins/commetics policy is going in the wrong direction.

In my opinion, skins cosmetics should be a modification of existing skins (armor, weapons etc.) without making the original item unrecognizable (total transmog).

In my opinion, a player's appearance should remain indicative of the equipment he wears. And I think that all these skins with no level restriction and skins that allow you to copy the appearance of another item should not exist.

On the other hand, I'm all for costumes. If some people like to strut their stuff in extravagant costumes, then there needs to be a special fashionista PvP Off zone where they can show off their finds.

I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

It seems that there will be an icon showing the armor category of opponent, I don't think it's enough.

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Depraved

i dont think there is a right or wrong answer. it just depends how the devs want the game to be.

George_Black

I dont think you know how business and product value works, nor customer conditioning.

I dont like cosmetics. I think they devalue the importance of gear. Also as you say they create problems in pvp, problems for which the devs work out solutions but making matters worse.

But studios have ruined mmos by saying yes to every convenience the players demanded. The customers are spoiled now.
You cant sell a skin for X amount of money and then restrict what the buyers expect from that product.

It's 2023 and videogames make money by selling cosmetics, like it or not.

Myosotys

George_Black wrote: »

But studios have ruined mmos by saying yes to every convenience the players demanded.

Totaly agree.

Yet it's so much more rewarding to earn your appearance through the effort you put into finding this or that item.

In my opinion, small details added to original existing gear skins would be enough to keep the store going.

George_Black

Myosotys wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

But studios have ruined mmos by saying yes to every convenience the players demanded.

Totall agree.

Yet it's so much more rewarding to earn your appearance through the effort you put into finding this or that item.

In my opinion, small details added to original existing gear skins would be enough to keep the store going.

I like your idea of small additions to your ingame appearance, but perhaps it's too much dev work, in order to make them fit existing designs without clipping through, floating or what have you.

In the face of entitled, demanding gamers and the difficulty of doing it properly, studios will keep doing what they currently do.

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

On the other hand, I'm all for costumes. If some people like to strut their stuff in extravagant costumes, then there needs to be a special fashionista PvP Off zone where they can show off their finds.

Myosotys wrote: »

Yet it's so much more rewarding to earn your appearance through the effort you put into finding this or that item.

Then why PvP Off zone? Allow them in the ocean only and let proper fashion wars happen.
You should be able to activate them only there and only if the gear is an epic tier with more than 88% durability left.

Myosotys

Raven016 wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

On the other hand, I'm all for costumes. If some people like to strut their stuff in extravagant costumes, then there needs to be a special fashionista PvP Off zone where they can show off their finds.

Myosotys wrote: »

Yet it's so much more rewarding to earn your appearance through the effort you put into finding this or that item.

Then why PvP Off zone? Allow them in the ocean only and let proper fashion wars happen.
You should be able to activate them only there and only if the gear is an epic tier with more than 88% durability left.

Because costumes shouldn't be a skin of the gear you wear. It should be an independant item without bonus or maybe other bonuses than your usual gear. So if you wear them in PvP you will sux

But honnestly I personnally don't care if PvP On or off because im not into the fashion at all. I like good looking gear only if it's a real original gear, not a skin.

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

On the other hand, I'm all for costumes. If some people like to strut their stuff in extravagant costumes, then there needs to be a special fashionista PvP Off zone where they can show off their finds.

Myosotys wrote: »

Yet it's so much more rewarding to earn your appearance through the effort you put into finding this or that item.

Then why PvP Off zone? Allow them in the ocean only and let proper fashion wars happen.
You should be able to activate them only there and only if the gear is an epic tier with more than 88% durability left.

Because costumes shouldn't be a skin of the gear you wear. It should be an independant item without bonus or maybe other bonuses than your usual gear. So if you wear them in PvP you will sux
But honnestly I personnally don't care if PvP On or off because im not into the fashion at all. I like good looking gear only if it's a real original gear, not a skin.

Will you play the Alpha 2?

Myosotys

I don't know yet. Probably not... I didn't buy the pack yet. Why ?

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

I don't know yet. Probably not... I didn't buy the pack yet. Why ?

Because a feedback given while playing is more accurate than just looking at videos and streams. You might even end up comfortable with how it is.

Caww

Myosotys wrote: »

..... I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

yup... respectively, I very much disagree, cosmetics alleviate all the ugly mis-matching of gear on a toon

Myosotys

Caww wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

..... I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

yup... respectively, I very much disagree, cosmetics alleviate all the ugly mis-matching of gear on a toon

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

Aszkalon

Myosotys wrote: »

Let's say, dear Myosotys,

i am well-aware i should not wear my "Unseen Order" Bony Outfit at LvL 1, or use it constantly.
( The Role-Player inside me would cringe myself to Death if i would try it ),

but there are both Points for the Cosmetics to be freely changeable - and then not and that only certain Items/Classes of Items like for Example Armor Classes, should be able to possess certain Looks.

Hopefully i will have some "Space/Storage" in bags and so on : so i can hopefully "switch" quickly between several Outfits with different Looks i may or may not want to have at certain Times.

I can't wait however to see "swanky People" with the most fancy Shop Armors getting sliced by Playerkillers who run around in Rags or Underwear like it's Dark Souls all over again.

. 😂 . 🤣 . 😂

Tyranthraxus

Myosotys wrote: »

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

Exactly what MMOs have you played in the past where you had the TIME to take your attention away from defending & counter-attacking in sudden, owPvP to *visually examine* another player's armor, in order to determine which abilities and weapon-sets to swap to?

This always sounds like SUCH a wonderful idea on paper to people who haven't PvP'd a lot, nor played a lot of MMOs. Are there MMOs out there that have *NOT* sold cosmetics/allowed appearance-tabs, or have had a toggle to show real armor/appearance armor? I'm sure there have been. But if you're relying on *visual examination* to tell you what's best to swap to using in combat, then I'm guessing you're probably going to be at about 50% health, before you make that decision.

The PvPers in-the-know in Ashes will be looking for the armor-type icon on an enemy's buff-bar, to know what they are wearing - and whether or not it's going to be worth it to swap weapons/abilities, in the lightning-fast drama of PvP combat; Only the noobs will be trying to look through the ability-animation pixels to try to determine which of the 3 armor types their opponents are wearing, when attacked.

Taleof2Cities

Myosotys wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

..... I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

yup... respectively, I very much disagree, cosmetics alleviate all the ugly mis-matching of gear on a toon

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

The Wiki is short but crisp in its meaning on this topic, @Myosotys.

Take a look when you get some downtime.

That said, Intrepid isn't about to put the gear in reverse on cosmetics ... because someone still has "old skool" ideas of threat assessment.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Threat_assessment

Voeltz

Myosotys wrote: »

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

Yep. Roleplaying takes priority over gameplay though. Forget about simply glancing at your opponents to determine the right target based on damage mitigation, that would be far too logical. That's "old school". Instead, you have to cycle targets through 20 players, in the middle of a battle, and read what their buff icon says to determine their actual armor type, then try to remember what everyone was wearing when picking new targets. Welcome to the new world, where we create problems to cater to the few, then make a 'solution' that makes everything worse.

Myosotys

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

..... I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

yup... respectively, I very much disagree, cosmetics alleviate all the ugly mis-matching of gear on a toon

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

The Wiki is short but crisp in its meaning on this topic, @Myosotys.

Take a look when you get some downtime.

That said, Intrepid isn't about to put the gear in reverse on cosmetics ... because someone still has "old skool" ideas of threat assessment.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Threat_assessment

Ok that will help. But it looks like @Voeltz told, a solution to a problem dev creates themselves.

Let's call a spade a spade. In this situation, the cosmetics completely alter the appearance and then add a description revealing the altered appearance. It's all very complicated.

Whereas it would be enough for the cosmetics sold to be an aesthetic enhancement of an item (while keeping the original item recognizable).

Transforming heavy metal armor into a magician's robe is ridiculous.

Ruerik

Myosotys wrote: »

Transforming heavy metal armor into a magician's robe is ridiculous.

Unless of course, I want to play a Tank/Mage class combination, and look more mage like.

Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Transforming heavy metal armor into a magician's robe is ridiculous.

Unless of course, I want to play a Tank/Mage class combination, and look more mage like.

Why would that make it any less ridiculous?

If you want to play a tank/mage combination and want to look like a mage, wear robes.

If you want to then say "but I want the stats of armor", then I have to ask why the class combination you are playing matters at all.

Myosotys

Taerrik wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Transforming heavy metal armor into a magician's robe is ridiculous.

Unless of course, I want to play a Tank/Mage class combination, and look more mage like.

What's ridiculous isn't the fact that a mage wears heavy armor. It's that heavy armor looks like a robe. Or vice versa.

Ruerik

Noaani, you of all people on the forums, I am surprised by your statement of

Noaani wrote: »

If you want to then say "but I want the stats of armor", then I have to ask why the class combination you are playing matters at all.

Stats matter, enough said.

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