About the Skins/Cosmetics/Transmog policy in AOC

Stop me if I've misunderstood this subject, but I think the skins/commetics policy is going in the wrong direction.

In my opinion, skins cosmetics should be a modification of existing skins (armor, weapons etc.) without making the original item unrecognizable (total transmog).

In my opinion, a player's appearance should remain indicative of the equipment he wears. And I think that all these skins with no level restriction and skins that allow you to copy the appearance of another item should not exist.

On the other hand, I'm all for costumes. If some people like to strut their stuff in extravagant costumes, then there needs to be a special fashionista PvP Off zone where they can show off their finds.

I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

It seems that there will be an icon showing the armor category of opponent, I don't think it's enough.

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Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

Noaani, you of all people on the forums, I am surprised by your statement of

Noaani wrote: »

If you want to then say "but I want the stats of armor", then I have to ask why the class combination you are playing matters at all.

Stats matter, enough said.

I'm fairly well on record of stating that I think it is stupid that the game allows someone to have the stats of plate armor, but project the appearance of caster robes.

The stats you have - that do indeed matter - should be reflected by the appearance your character has.

However, you didn't answer the question posited.

If we are to say that you want to look like you are wearing a robe, but have the stats of someone wearing plate armor, why does your class combination matter at all?

Ruerik

Because its a modern RPG, I'm going to play the class that has the playstyle I enjoy, and project the image with gear transmog based on the identity of what I imagine that is. So if I want a battlemage style job to wear cloth instead of plate, then thats what you will see.

If you want to know what my build or threat to you is, then you have to figure that out by engaging me. Or remembering what I was using from the last time we fight.

Information is part of war.

Noaani

Taerrik wrote: »

Because its a modern RPG, I'm going to play the class that has the playstyle I enjoy, and project the image with gear transmog based on the identity of what I imagine that is. So if I want a battlemage style job to wear cloth instead of plate, then thats what you will see.

I don't think you are getting the point.

If you want to play a battlemage, wear plate, get the stats of that but project the image of cloth, why is that something that only applies if you are a battlemage?

Why can't someone that is just a tank do the same? Why can't someone that is a mage project the image of wearing plate but actually be wearing cloth?

You are right in that information is a part of war, but what that means is that the game should do it's best to communicate information on potential enemies succicintly and accurately.

If the game is going out of it's way to place vanity in front of information, it seems to me that Intrepid don't consider information to be that important.

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

..... I know that many of you will disagree, and I'm just sharing my humble opinion.

yup... respectively, I very much disagree, cosmetics alleviate all the ugly mis-matching of gear on a toon

It makes also complicated (maybe impossible) to know the gear of your opponent. Which is bad in PvP(X) game.

The Wiki is short but crisp in its meaning on this topic, @Myosotys.

Take a look when you get some downtime.

That said, Intrepid isn't about to put the gear in reverse on cosmetics ... because someone still has "old skool" ideas of threat assessment.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Threat_assessment

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Transforming heavy metal armor into a magician's robe is ridiculous.

I agree that such transformations hurt immersion.
Maybe such cosmetics should have belong to a set/family and the player would have to obtain in game (or buy) the ones which fit with the in-game class/role he plays. More cosmetics for each specific case is better for the game and for developers too if they sell it in the store.

Depraved

just make it so that you can turn off everyone's transmog

Myosotys

Depraved wrote: »

just make it so that you can turn off everyone's transmog

Yeah could be a solution but those who buy cosmetics do it to show off. If no one sees it, the buyers gonna complain

Depraved

i thought people would buy cosmetics to look at their own character xD
if he wants to show it off he can ask that person to turn the cosmetics on for a moment ;3

daveywavey

Not knowing someone's build before you attack them just adds to the Risk in "Risk vs Reward". It's part of the game.

Myosotys

Depraved wrote: »

i thought people would buy cosmetics to look at their own character xD
if he wants to show it off he can ask that person to turn the cosmetics on for a moment ;3

ahah ! I don't really know, I'm not into cosmetics but I think they want to show of.

daveywavey wrote: »

Not knowing someone's build before you attack them just adds to the Risk in "Risk vs Reward". It's part of the game.

I disagree. In my opinion, if a player doesn't know the gear of his opponent, it should be because he lacks experience and knowledge of the game. Experience will give him the ability to recognize a weapon or armor, and he'll be able to react accordingly.

To take your "risk versus reward" example, it's a bad one, because a risk that can't be assessed is no longer a risk but an inevitability or a fatality. Or at best a simple probality over which you have no influence.

daveywavey

You'll recognise their abilities when they start using them, then you have to react accordingly. If you know what you're going up against before you go up against it, that's not Risk, that's Calculation.

Myosotys

daveywavey wrote: »

You'll recognise their abilities when they start using them, then you have to react accordingly. If you know what you're going up against before you go up against it, that's not Risk, that's Calculation.

Armor damage mitigation is not easily visible. The only thing potentially visible is mobility. If a player with light armor cosmetics moves slowly, we might be able to guess that he's actually wearing heavy armor.
Still, it's not very immersive...

Korela

If the game is F2P or has hide/show skins toggle, then I can understand the skin-clown-fiesta. But AoC is not F2P and I don't remember the existence of a skin toggle. I do not like this.

I like to see at a glance what main resistances armor provides. I do not like having to try every debuff, element and damage type during the battle. As a compromise I could agree with open information about active gear (DoTA-like), but AoC already has over 15 gear slots, which is also sad.

It seems to me that the best option would be to support the ability to toggle the display of all skins in the settings. But as soon as someone suggests this, skin lovers immediately come and promote guessing games instead of a combat system. I don't know how to cure them. Sadge.

Ruerik

Myosotys wrote: »

Yeah could be a solution but those who buy cosmetics do it to show off. If no one sees it, the buyers gonna complain

Not really, me looking how I want to look doesnt have anything to do with you during open world pvp or other gaming.

I could care less than I already do if you turn off whatever cosmetic effects I put on myself so you can see whats underneath. My immersion is not impacted by what someone else that isnt actively RPing with me sees.

Myosotys

Taerrik wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Yeah could be a solution but those who buy cosmetics do it to show off. If no one sees it, the buyers gonna complain

Not really, me looking how I want to look doesnt have anything to do with you during open world pvp or other gaming.

I could care less than I already do if you turn off whatever cosmetic effects I put on myself so you can see whats underneath. My immersion is not impacted by what someone else that isnt actively RPing with me sees.

This is your point of view. Unfortunately I don't think all cosmectics buyers think like you. I can give you the counter example of myself : I hate to buy cosmetics and I have never bought any cosmetics in any game. But If I get a rare legendary sword super rare that looks cool, I will show off to make jealous arround me

So I think if you don't allow buyers to show off their skinned items, some might disagree

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

Taerrik wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Yeah could be a solution but those who buy cosmetics do it to show off. If no one sees it, the buyers gonna complain

Not really, me looking how I want to look doesnt have anything to do with you during open world pvp or other gaming.

I could care less than I already do if you turn off whatever cosmetic effects I put on myself so you can see whats underneath. My immersion is not impacted by what someone else that isnt actively RPing with me sees.

This is your point of view. Unfortunately I don't think all cosmectics buyers think like you. I can give you the counter example of myself : I hate to buy cosmetics and I have never bought any cosmetics in any game. But If I get a rare legendary sword super rare that looks cool, I will show off to make jealous arround me

So I think if you don't allow buyers to show off their skinned items, some might disagree

You like to make people jealous? And is harder when others can buy cosmetics...
I would prefer the game to look good.

Myosotys

Raven016 wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Taerrik wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Yeah could be a solution but those who buy cosmetics do it to show off. If no one sees it, the buyers gonna complain

Not really, me looking how I want to look doesnt have anything to do with you during open world pvp or other gaming.

I could care less than I already do if you turn off whatever cosmetic effects I put on myself so you can see whats underneath. My immersion is not impacted by what someone else that isnt actively RPing with me sees.

This is your point of view. Unfortunately I don't think all cosmectics buyers think like you. I can give you the counter example of myself : I hate to buy cosmetics and I have never bought any cosmetics in any game. But If I get a rare legendary sword super rare that looks cool, I will show off to make jealous arround me

So I think if you don't allow buyers to show off their skinned items, some might disagree

You like to make people jealous? And is harder when others can buy cosmetics...
I would prefer the game to look good.

Not in a bad way. Envious I should have say )

Depraved

here is a weird thought. you guys want to see the armor the enemy is using to know whats up. but hey you cant see their jewels and other pieces of gear...so you wont get information on these. so isnt this a flawed argument? also, you wont even be able to see the overenchant value of the armor...and if the user has rerolled or moved effects from the armor. so you cant really tell for certain...

on top of that, what if you do magic damage, and armors dont provide magic defense, only jewels do. their armor wont tell you if you can beat the dude or you will do 10 damage. you cant see the jewels.

so what do we do about this? (please no player inspection or armory)

Noaani

daveywavey wrote: »

Not knowing someone's build before you attack them just adds to the Risk in "Risk vs Reward". It's part of the game.

Oh?

Where does it add to the reward part?

Myosotys

Depraved wrote: »

here is a weird thought. you guys want to see the armor the enemy is using to know whats up. but hey you cant see their jewels and other pieces of gear...so you wont get information on these. so isnt this a flawed argument? also, you wont even be able to see the overenchant value of the armor...and if the user has rerolled or moved effects from the armor. so you cant really tell for certain...

on top of that, what if you do magic damage, and armors dont provide magic defense, only jewels do. their armor wont tell you if you can beat the dude or you will do 10 damage. you cant see the jewels.

so what do we do about this? (please no player inspection or armory)

Jewelries are invisible in most games so we are use to that. And certainly because it’s realistic and logical as jewelries are small. Also jewelries doesn’t change your mobility.

Personally I would prefer hidden level and recognizable armor + weapons. Or at least categories of armors (heavy, medium, light) and weapons (axe, sword, hammer etc.).

Depraved

hey if ur wearing a ton of bling u gonna move slowly, weight adds lil by lil xD

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