If you really want to make money, you need to implement GIFTING others! :)

Yes Intrepid, that´s how you make real money with your item shop. One would and could only buy one item for himself, but one can buy many items for others.
GIFTING will multiply your income.

Just sayn, you should not miss out on that.

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Enigmatic Sage

@unknownsystemerror you may be referencing the amount from 2017 from the initial 19k backers when they decided to turn the battle royale into an mmorpg

Tyranthraxus

Depraved wrote: »

there was real life trading for something in game though. thats the point...so as long as its not money, even though it would be the same, you guys say its ok?

....Except the cosmetics we've bought are not trade-able. We ourselves are the only ones who can benefit from our spending IRL money on said cosmetic-only items, thus eliminating P2W.

If you allow exchange of such items, then can't they be traded for in-game currency?

Depraved

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

there was real life trading for something in game though. thats the point...so as long as its not money, even though it would be the same, you guys say its ok?

....Except the cosmetics we've bought are not trade-able. We ourselves are the only ones who can benefit from our spending IRL money on said cosmetic-only items, thus eliminating P2W.

If you allow exchange of such items, then can't they be traded for in-game currency?

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

unknownsystemerror

90 day return policy. Buy the account. Get the item. Then refund the account you bought.

daveywavey

Depraved wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

there was real life trading for something in game though. thats the point...so as long as its not money, even though it would be the same, you guys say its ok?

....Except the cosmetics we've bought are not trade-able. We ourselves are the only ones who can benefit from our spending IRL money on said cosmetic-only items, thus eliminating P2W.

If you allow exchange of such items, then can't they be traded for in-game currency?

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

The problem would be that the RL Money thing would likely be against the Terms And Conditions of the game, whereas your long-suffering wife's household duties are not.

For a company that prides itself on its "No Pay 2 Win" philosophy, gifting just doesn't seem likely.

Depraved

daveywavey wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

there was real life trading for something in game though. thats the point...so as long as its not money, even though it would be the same, you guys say its ok?

....Except the cosmetics we've bought are not trade-able. We ourselves are the only ones who can benefit from our spending IRL money on said cosmetic-only items, thus eliminating P2W.

If you allow exchange of such items, then can't they be traded for in-game currency?

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

The problem would be that the RL Money thing would likely be against the Terms And Conditions of the game, whereas your long-suffering wife's household duties are not.

For a company that prides itself on its "No Pay 2 Win" philosophy, gifting just doesn't seem likely.

there is a difference because you are buying a cosmetic inside aoc store and gifting it, which is something that intrepid would allow you to do.

going to some website or paypayling 10 bucks to a dude for an iron sword isnt the same as spending 10 bucks in the store and giving that skin to some dude for an iron sword. you still end up with the iron sword, but intrepid ends up with your 10 bucks, and the other dude ends up with a skin.

the wife example was just an example. i gave another one which is common...girl (or dude pretending to be a girl) sends you nudes and you give her (him) an iron sword. thats trading a real life something for an ingame item. how is that different? but no one addressed it, so i guess now we know who trades like that xD

ok back to being serious. the argument is that you can trade something you get in real life for an in game advantage, or an item or a carry. if its no money, it can be something else. so my question is, why people only complain if its money?

Raven016

Naugrimur wrote: »

Yes Intrepid, that´s how you make real money with your item shop. One would and could only buy one item for himself, but one can buy many items for others.
GIFTING will multiply your income.

Just sayn, you should not miss out on that.

Such gifting should be allowed only toward characters who are part on same region and only of things which are account bound.
Else players where items are cheap would try to sell them to players in countries where they are more expensive.

Enigmatic Sage

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Tyranthraxus

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

Enigmatic Sage

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

nope lol

EDIT:

To be honest, I haven't even considered joining any guilds yet. No point wasting my time until an official release date has been announced and even then... haven't decided if I want to play the game as a solo traveller or not.

Depraved

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

i see what you mean. you have a good point when you say its important that the game doesnt support it. however, we still have player trading which can be used for the same things im talking about. but i dont want player trading to be gone just because few people will trade items for irl stuff.

so if people dont want gifting in the game because few players will p2w or rmt, then they should be against regular trading between players as well, because that will be abused by a few with p2w or rmt. the auction house can probably be abused as well.

i feel bad for the people who will get catfished tho xD

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

i see what you mean. you have a good point when you say its important that the game doesnt support it. however, we still have player trading which can be used for the same things im talking about. but i dont want player trading to be gone just because few people will trade items for irl stuff.

so if people dont want gifting in the game because few players will p2w or rmt, then they should be against regular trading between players as well, because that will be abused by a few with p2w or rmt. the auction house can probably be abused as well.

i feel bad for the people who will get catfished tho xD

The big difference is - if the game has player trading, one sided trades can be flagged and investigated for suspected RMT.

You cant really do this if the money portion of the transaction went to Intrepid - which is what the case would be if gifting were an option on the cash shop.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

i see what you mean. you have a good point when you say its important that the game doesnt support it. however, we still have player trading which can be used for the same things im talking about. but i dont want player trading to be gone just because few people will trade items for irl stuff.

so if people dont want gifting in the game because few players will p2w or rmt, then they should be against regular trading between players as well, because that will be abused by a few with p2w or rmt. the auction house can probably be abused as well.

i feel bad for the people who will get catfished tho xD

The big difference is - if the game has player trading, one sided trades can be flagged and investigated for suspected RMT.

You cant really do this if the money portion of the transaction went to Intrepid - which is what the case would be if gifting were an option on the cash shop.

ok lets say we are in the same guild. you craft the best sword in the game and you tell me on discord by voice that you are selling it. how can intrepid know if you gave me the sword for free, simply because we are in the same guild and are trying to get stronger to compete, or if i sent u money on paypal, or if i sent you nudes, o rmaybe i sent you items on a different game that we both play, etc.

all they would see is the trade, and you can just say "well i play 10 hours a day and he plays 3 so im trying to help my guild become stronger, he needed the sword and gave it to him". if gifting is enabled, you can say the same thing and then add "and he sent me a skin as a thanks. i didnt ask for it, he just did it" or something like that. and that wouldnt be against the rules.

i can understand how someone who farms and sells to anyone can get caught, like a level 10 character suddenly giving 3 copies of the best sword to level 50 characters who are in no way connected to each other, and not receiving any gold in return, for example. but you wouldnt be able to detect in house rmt. or for example, you mentioned that you have 2 isp and 2 computers. intrepid doesnt know you are the same person playing 2 accounts. if you traded items between those accounts, are you 2 players rmting or the same person transferring items?

also, id say that it would be easier to catch rmters with a gifting option. give someone gold in exchange for a gift, sell the gift, then sell the gold for another gift, sell the gift, then sell the gold, etc, etc and this can be easily tracked, far easier than if the transaction occurred by paypal for example. the question is if intrepid would be ok with this or not.

Gizban

Depraved wrote: »

you could also hire mercenaries in exchange for cosmetics instead of paying with in game items.

And there is the p2w.

Depraved

pyreal wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

you could also hire mercenaries in exchange for cosmetics instead of paying with in game items.

And there is the p2w.

you didnt get the point. you could trade anything irl for the same mercenaries as well...the cosmetics is something in game. you are trading in game items for ingame items., and gifting cosmetics allow f2p players (other than the sub) to get stuff from the cash shop

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

ok lets say we are in the same guild. you craft the best sword in the game and you tell me on discord by voice that you are selling it. how can intrepid know if you gave me the sword for free, simply because we are in the same guild and are trying to get stronger to compete, or if i sent u money on paypal, or if i sent you nudes, o rmaybe i sent you items on a different game that we both play, etc.

No one said they will be 100% accurate.

That doesnt mean they shouldn't do what they can.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

ok lets say we are in the same guild. you craft the best sword in the game and you tell me on discord by voice that you are selling it. how can intrepid know if you gave me the sword for free, simply because we are in the same guild and are trying to get stronger to compete, or if i sent u money on paypal, or if i sent you nudes, o rmaybe i sent you items on a different game that we both play, etc.

No one said they will be 100% accurate.

That doesnt mean they shouldn't do what they can.

-_-

shellye15

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

what i mean is, someone can give you something irl that isnt money and in exchange, you would give that person an in game item. like a rare sword or whatever. isnt it the same? so the only problem is when that something you are receiving is money?

If people want to arrange it on their own, then they will - but it's important in-terms of the promise made that the game itself will not support it.

Justify it to yourself however you like. I'm just glad that it won't be in-game.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

What if guilds want to reward their members with cosmetics based on their efforts, contribution, inner guild competitions?

Guess we'll just have to use pay pal for that...

Can't you just craft guild-outfits? Seems far-more economical for a guild, rather than spending $$$ on every member whom checks off a list of accomplishments.

Crafting guild outfits could indeed be a brilliant solution! It not only fosters a sense of unity among guild members but also proves to be a more cost-effective approach. Instead of splurging on individual accomplishments, investing in custom guild outfits not only establishes a visual identity but also promotes a sense of camaraderie within the community. Perhaps there could be special designs or insignias that reflect the collective achievements and milestones of the guild. This not only aligns with the practicality of managing expenses but also adds a unique touch to the guild's identity. It's an idea that not only saves money but also allows the guild to wear their accomplishments with pride.By the way, have you checked out ICOholder? It could be an interesting platform to explore potential opportunities for guild funding or collaboration.

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