Respawn points PvP on ? Time to return to your death location ?

If yes, is there a mechanism of immunity (dead player cannot attack neither) for a given time after a death PvE or PvP?

Corrupted players will have the same PvP conditions after respawn ? I am not talking about the fact they respawn in a random location. But maybe we will be able to kill them right after they respawn ?

According to me the best option would be a kind of sanctuary spell that make you invisible and impossible to attack for 30 seconds and you also cannot attack no one and no mobs.

To avoid to be killed at the respawn point or to be followed if you are visible.

What is the best average time after you died to return to your death location ?

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Texas

You should respawn green with war flags disabled for ~90 secs. Same thing for any load-in point.

Myosotys

Mag7spy wrote: »

You shouldnt be attacked at a respawn period, that sets up guild decs to farm people on respawn. It isnt any kind of meaningful pvp except trying to make someone log off.

We agree on that be it is exactly this point that some players try to do. I saw this in every single PvP MMO I played : Having fun of making others rage quit.

Texas wrote: »

You should respawn green with war flags disabled for ~90 secs. Same thing for any load-in point.

Any source ?

Texas

No source. That's just what I would do. I don't think anything else is needed as long as corruption system works.

Myosotys

Texas wrote: »

No source. That's just what I would do. I don't think anything else is needed as long as corruption system works.

Yeah agree. Immunity + invisibility for few seconds would be fair. 90 sec is a bit much. I'd like 30 sec.

Dolyem

Texas wrote: »

You should respawn green with war flags disabled for ~90 secs. Same thing for any load-in point.

I don't hate the idea honestly. But the time would have to be relative to how long it'd take to get back to a potential fight happening between warring players. That way you can't necessarily pile unflagged players into a fight unchecked.

Dolyem

Mag7spy wrote: »

You shouldnt be attacked at a respawn period, that sets up guild decs to farm people on respawn. It isnt any kind of meaningful pvp except trying to make someone log off.

It'd absolutely be a viable tactic to delay respawns trying to get back to an objective you are fighting them for. But if you're just spawn camping to ruin somebodies day, thats griefing.

I would argue potentially making a small area of the initial respawn point a safezone for fresh spawns to allow fresh spawns a moment to collect themselves before reengaging. But the benefit would have to be removed as soon as they leave the zone, also only last a finite amount of time while within the zone, and not be able to be reapplied by returning to the zone in any way besides respawning after death.

Night Wings

I personally like how world of warcraft did it where you can run back to your body and respawn within range or pay a spirit healer and take a loss in durability and have a debuff for X amount of time. World of warcraft also had factions alliance and horde so when one player from a faction died that faction would have there own individual Spirit healer points that are different from the respawn points the other faction had.

WIKI says "Corrupt players respawn at random locations in the vicinity of their death, not at regular spawn points."[3]

If they don't add the feature to run back to your body then they basically need more respawn points and be able to choose where to respawn to reduce a chances to encounter a griefer. Also I strongly believe they need to remove these little orbs that can be seen when alive

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There not a lot of information from what I've seen or maybe I am missing something??? If a player is flagged purple or red when that player is killed they should be able to respawn as a green state regardless dying as a purple/red then having to literally wait to get uncorrupted even though you died is dumb and its unfair for the individuals that decided to take that risk just my two cents though.

Depraved

or just respawn back in town...

Night Wings

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

Dolyem

Night Wings wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

to be fair there are death penalties

Texas

I've already thought about the idea of setting up a "taxi" service near a POI. Instant transport to respawn in return for whatever items and glint drop from your body. Some death penalty added as well. I'm not sure if it should be allowed, but it seems fair at a glance.

Night Wings

Dolyem wrote: »

Night Wings wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

to be fair there are death penalties

Sure, but far as my concern there not alot of info on it other then XP. Stick with me while I try my best to put this into text lmao

Nodes are going have certain resources that can only really be found in that nodes which why the caravan system works well and upon death you do not loose gold

Players do not lose gold upon death, no matter their corruption level.[21]

if you can respond back to town what's to stop someone mapping out respawn points. like

Town

========== B =========C ==========D =========== E ==========F=======

town

If we allow to respawn back to town what is the distance requirement in order to respawn to that said node or town obviously nobody has the answer for argument state lets say "D" which is in the middle

Rogue class biggest feature is stealth so its safe to say they get it at low level. If I make a rogue and get gold I can literally run naked to point "D" the middle die respawn back at

town buy the resources that are going be cheap then try to stealth my way back in doing so getting to

town and sell the items for higher price in which case making more gold.

do you take the risk of loosing said items that you just bought sure, but if you don't get killed on the way back you just saved a lot of time by skipping "E" "F" I may be over thinking of this, but I just don't think option to spawn back to town is a good one.

Night Wings

Texas wrote: »

I've already thought about the idea of setting up a "taxi" service near a POI. Instant transport to respawn in return for whatever items and glint drop from your body. Some death penalty added as well. I'm not sure if it should be allowed, but it seems fair at a glance.

Literally this ^^ lmao

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

You shouldnt be attacked at a respawn period, that sets up guild decs to farm people on respawn. It isnt any kind of meaningful pvp except trying to make someone log off.

This is why I said there should be several respawn options. Guild hall should definitely be one.

I'd love if the game could track who killed you and gave you choices based on that, so GW kills could result in the GH option showing up.

Obviously this could be abused by the players, so we'd have to see what GWs cost and what they require for declarations. Maybe some guild-based cost for that kind of respawn would make sense. Especially for patron guilds, whose GHs will be inside node centers.

But war is war. I fully expect node wars to lead to full genocides within nodes. But that is also exactly why wars won't have death penalties, outside of the gear decay (which will probably go away as well).

Dolyem

Night Wings wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Night Wings wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

to be fair there are death penalties

Sure, but far as my concern there not alot of info on it other then XP. Stick with me while I try my best to put this into text lmao

Nodes are going have certain resources that can only really be found in that nodes which why the caravan system works well and upon death you do not loose gold

Players do not lose gold upon death, no matter their corruption level.[21]

if you can respond back to town what's to stop someone mapping out respawn points. like

Town ========== B =========C ==========D =========== E ==========F======= town

If we allow to respawn back to town what is the distance requirement in order to respawn to that said node or town obviously nobody has the answer for argument state lets say "D" which is in the middle

Rogue class biggest feature is stealth so its safe to say they get it at low level. If I make a rogue and get gold I can literally run naked to point "D" the middle die respawn back at town buy the resources that are going be cheap then try to stealth my way back in doing so getting to town and sell the items for higher price in which case making more gold.

do you take the risk of loosing said items that you just bought sure, but if you don't get killed on the way back you just saved a lot of time by skipping "E" "F" I may be over thinking of this, but I just don't think option to spawn back to town is a good one.

well there is also XP death, but I agree that there needs to be a deterrent to graveyard hopping

Depraved

Night Wings wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

and?

pay the penalty xd

Mag7spy

Dolyem wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You shouldnt be attacked at a respawn period, that sets up guild decs to farm people on respawn. It isnt any kind of meaningful pvp except trying to make someone log off.

It'd absolutely be a viable tactic to delay respawns trying to get back to an objective you are fighting them for. But if you're just spawn camping to ruin somebodies day, thats griefing.

I would argue potentially making a small area of the initial respawn point a safezone for fresh spawns to allow fresh spawns a moment to collect themselves before reengaging. But the benefit would have to be removed as soon as they leave the zone, also only last a finite amount of time while within the zone, and not be able to be reapplied by returning to the zone in any way besides respawning after death.

That sounds fine to be and how i view it should be. Though my view point on spawns is also most likely different as i don't agree spawn points should be near where you died. So relying on team reses is important if you all while it takes time to get back and continue to pvp.

Night Wings

Dolyem wrote: »

well there is also XP death, but I agree that there needs to be a deterrent to graveyard hopping

100% probably will be something just have to wait and see

Depraved wrote: »

Night Wings wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

or just respawn back in town...

I feel like that could be used as a exploit instead of taking the time to get to a place /node just die and respawn, because its faster.

and?

pay the penalty xd

Eventually every MMO hits a wall you get maxed stuff etc.. a penalty could literally become insignificant or it can be on a alt character that has no real meaning other then to save time and make gold faster by getting to point A - B faster. All honestly after reading "picture below" I'm curious how much a person can carry gatherable things if its not a lot then I don't care anymore, but if its large quantity then I can see this being taken advantage and just skipping the caravan all together.

Myosotys

Mag7spy wrote: »

Though my view point on spawns is also most likely different as i don't agree spawn points should be near where you died. So relying on team reses is important if you all while it takes time to get back and continue to pvp.

Bro already got a penalty after dying, you cannot give him a double penalty with a spawn at 1 hour from where he died... It's a rage quit reason.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You shouldnt be attacked at a respawn period, that sets up guild decs to farm people on respawn. It isnt any kind of meaningful pvp except trying to make someone log off.

It'd absolutely be a viable tactic to delay respawns trying to get back to an objective you are fighting them for. But if you're just spawn camping to ruin somebodies day, thats griefing.

I would argue potentially making a small area of the initial respawn point a safezone for fresh spawns to allow fresh spawns a moment to collect themselves before reengaging. But the benefit would have to be removed as soon as they leave the zone, also only last a finite amount of time while within the zone, and not be able to be reapplied by returning to the zone in any way besides respawning after death.

That sounds fine to be and how i view it should be. Though my view point on spawns is also most likely different as i don't agree spawn points should be near where you died. So relying on team reses is important if you all while it takes time to get back and continue to pvp.

I see no foundation in game design as to why this should be the case.

Game developers want players playing their game.

Getting yourself in to a situation where you and many friends are fighting many rivals is what developers want you to do in a game like Ashes. Pulling you out of that situation is counter to their design goals.

If you die, there should indeed be a penalty. However, that penalty should not be the end of the fight for you.

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