Respawn points PvP on ? Time to return to your death location ?

If yes, is there a mechanism of immunity (dead player cannot attack neither) for a given time after a death PvE or PvP?

Corrupted players will have the same PvP conditions after respawn ? I am not talking about the fact they respawn in a random location. But maybe we will be able to kill them right after they respawn ?

According to me the best option would be a kind of sanctuary spell that make you invisible and impossible to attack for 30 seconds and you also cannot attack no one and no mobs.

To avoid to be killed at the respawn point or to be followed if you are visible.

What is the best average time after you died to return to your death location ?

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Mag7spy

Myosotys wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Though my view point on spawns is also most likely different as i don't agree spawn points should be near where you died. So relying on team reses is important if you all while it takes time to get back and continue to pvp.

Bro already got a penalty after dying, you cannot give him a double penalty with a spawn at 1 hour from where he died... It's a rage quit reason.

I don't subscribe to you spawning 1 min from the place you died, and no that player did not get a penalty in a guild war.

This is the pve mind set where you think you just spawn near where you died and continue. This is not an arena game mode, this is OWpvp, if you lose a fight the other side should have plenty of time to rez whom died as well as have time to farm the spot, and prepare if players come back to fight again.

If you can not handle the spot, you need to go elsewhere that is less contested.

Myosotys

Mag7spy wrote: »

I don't subscribe to you spawning 1 min from the place you died, and no that player did not get a penalty in a guild war.

1 min is way too short. The wiki says you gonna be teleported (when not randomly) to the closest spawn point. I imagine some areas will have more spawn point than others so I imagine players will spawn from 5 to 20 min from the place their died.

In case it's preferable for gameplay reason to avoid players to come back too fast in certain area, then there will be less respawn points in these areas.

Noaani

Myosotys wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I don't subscribe to you spawning 1 min from the place you died, and no that player did not get a penalty in a guild war.

1 min is way too short. The wiki says you gonna be teleported (when not randomly) to the closest spawn point. I imagine some areas will have more spawn point than others so I imagine players will spawn from 5 to 20 min from the place their died.

In case it's preferable for gameplay reason to avoid players to come back too fast in certain area, then there will be less respawn points in these areas.

To me, 5 minutes seems about as long as you would want it to be.

The longer it takes to run back, the fewer respawn points that means the game has.

The fewer respawn points the game has, the more people will be in each.

Basically, once you get over about 5 minutes back to where you were in a game with the world size of Ashes, the areas around respawn points will be more populated than some villages.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Though my view point on spawns is also most likely different as i don't agree spawn points should be near where you died. So relying on team reses is important if you all while it takes time to get back and continue to pvp.

Bro already got a penalty after dying, you cannot give him a double penalty with a spawn at 1 hour from where he died... It's a rage quit reason.

I don't subscribe to you spawning 1 min from the place you died, and no that player did not get a penalty in a guild war.

Ashes can't set respawn points in the game world based on penalties people have in guild or node wars - because players are not always in a war.

They need to set respawn points based on open PvP penalties, and give those precious PvP'ers that need special, reduced death penalties that bonus on top.

Texas

20-min death runs = just log out.

Not sure why death penalties wouldn't apply to OW pvp.

Mag7spy

Texas wrote: »

20-min death runs = just log out.

Not sure why death penalties wouldn't apply to OW pvp.

Because there is different types of owpvp.

Talking about corruption owpvp is minimal and shouldn't factor into the core of pvp disccusion as it won't happen often.

Mag7spy

Myosotys wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I don't subscribe to you spawning 1 min from the place you died, and no that player did not get a penalty in a guild war.

1 min is way too short. The wiki says you gonna be teleported (when not randomly) to the closest spawn point. I imagine some areas will have more spawn point than others so I imagine players will spawn from 5 to 20 min from the place their died.

In case it's preferable for gameplay reason to avoid players to come back too fast in certain area, then there will be less respawn points in these areas.

10-20 sounds reasonable depending on the content you are doing of course.

Shabooey

Think it's a very fine balance and can have quite a big impact on gameplay. If the respawn time is too short, you're not rewarding those that have won the fight. Too long, to me, is boring gameplay, if you have to run like 20mins to get back to where you were, people will just log off. I think about 5mins would be about right.

Very interested to see how they handle this and how it plays out.

Mag7spy

Shabooey wrote: »

Think it's a very fine balance and can have quite a big impact on gameplay. If the respawn time is too short, you're not rewarding those that have won the fight. Too long, to me, is boring gameplay, if you have to run like 20mins to get back to where you were, people will just log off. I think about 5mins would be about right.

Very interested to see how they handle this and how it plays out.

5 minutes is not enough, there shouldnt be spawn points every corner in the world. If we are talking about 5 min in a general area that is more safe sure. If we are talking about you are in a dungeon (or more akin dangerous areas) with a large party and such that should be a much longer trip + creatures trying to kill you and you not just running past everything.

This is only in relation to pvp as rezes should be a thing allowing people to wait for it.

Shabooey

Mag7spy wrote: »

Shabooey wrote: »

Think it's a very fine balance and can have quite a big impact on gameplay. If the respawn time is too short, you're not rewarding those that have won the fight. Too long, to me, is boring gameplay, if you have to run like 20mins to get back to where you were, people will just log off. I think about 5mins would be about right.

Very interested to see how they handle this and how it plays out.

5 minutes is not enough, there shouldn't be spawn points every corner in the world. If we are talking about 5 min in a general area that is more safe sure. If we are talking about you are in a dungeon (or more akin dangerous areas) with a large party and such that should be a much longer trip + creatures trying to kill you and you not just running past everything.

This is only in relation to pvp as rezes should be a thing allowing people to wait for it.

I think you make a very good point regarding the content/area you're doing/in I was more thinking of just out in the world type death, which 5mins max seems fine for me.

I do see how if it's a more dangerous area or activity you're doing it could be unfair if it's too quick and why a longer run back would be alright as it's a relatively big event you're participating in, still think 20mins is too long though.

It probably needs to be long enough for people not just to immediately decide to spawn and run straight back but probably long enough that they decide to wait for the rest or wait to respawn and go again with their group or part of their group.

So are they just going to be randomised spawn points? How does that work in groups etc do you all respawn together, I'm guessing you do. Lots to test in A2.

Mag7spy

Shabooey wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Shabooey wrote: »

Think it's a very fine balance and can have quite a big impact on gameplay. If the respawn time is too short, you're not rewarding those that have won the fight. Too long, to me, is boring gameplay, if you have to run like 20mins to get back to where you were, people will just log off. I think about 5mins would be about right.

Very interested to see how they handle this and how it plays out.

5 minutes is not enough, there shouldn't be spawn points every corner in the world. If we are talking about 5 min in a general area that is more safe sure. If we are talking about you are in a dungeon (or more akin dangerous areas) with a large party and such that should be a much longer trip + creatures trying to kill you and you not just running past everything.

This is only in relation to pvp as rezes should be a thing allowing people to wait for it.

I think you make a very good point regarding the content/area you're doing/in I was more thinking of just out in the world type death, which 5mins max seems fine for me.

I do see how if it's a more dangerous area or activity you're doing it could be unfair if it's too quick and why a longer run back would be alright as it's a relatively big event you're participating in, still think 20mins is too long though.

It probably needs to be long enough for people not just to immediately decide to spawn and run straight back but probably long enough that they decide to wait for the rest or wait to respawn and go again with their group or part of their group.

So are they just going to be randomised spawn points? How does that work in groups etc do you all respawn together, I'm guessing you do. Lots to test in A2.

Unsure how they are doing spawn points, it be a good question to ask on a live stream though on their expectations

Atm im expecting worse case imo is you just spawn near where you died. Which will make pvp with guild / node wars feel worse since even if you win a fight they are going back towards you. So meta will be not to do pve content and kill them enough until their gear breaks.

I prefer meta to be if you win you have a good amount of time to grind and they have to get back + get pass mobs. And can't grief the better players from doing the pve content without a consequence of time.

Ludullu

Yall are fucking wild with your numbers

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/World_map
From one end of a Metropolis (stage 6) node to the other 2.83 minutes |1.67 minutes Mounted
From the center of a node to the center of its direct neighbor 5 minutes |3.5 minutes Mounted
From the northernmost to southernmost points of a continent 75 minutes |50 minutes Mounted

10 minutes would respawn you in another fucking node from your PoI

Even if dungeons are truly massive and take you 2-3 minutes of mounted running to get to the bottom of - that's still way below 10 minutes of running from respawning at the nearest node center.

And respawning at the nearest node center would literally mean "I looted my mobs, died in pvp on purpose and respawned right next to a storage building".

Yes, the map is huge overall, but it's segmented into 85 locations (ZoIs). And even if respawn points would only exist in lvl3+ node ZoIs (can't be the case cause people will be dying at release) - that's still way shorter than 10min of running.

Noaani

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Even if dungeons are truly massive and take you 2-3 minutes of mounted running to get to the bottom of

Did you mistype here and miss a two zeros, or do you and I have wildly different opinions on what a truly massive dungeon is?

With the travel times you have given above though, I would say that my earlier statement of no more than 5 minutes sounds about right still.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

5 minutes is not enough, there shouldnt be spawn points every corner in the world.

5 minutes would make respawn points less rare than nodes.

20 minutes would mean there are two respawn points per continent.

Dolyem

The main reason I would say to not have massively distanced spawn points is simply to prevent a graveyard hopping transportation system from being created inadvertently. And while players should take a reasonable amount of time to return to a fight as opposed to immediately jumping back in, they definitely shouldnt be completely removed from the fight altogether by spawning 20 minutes away.

Ayeveegaming1

I have a different take on this whole thing. Maybe everyone should stay dead until either the boss resets or you are resurected by another player during the battle. This would be in line with Role Play and if you die, you die, unless you are ressed in battle. This would speed up pvp battles also when fighting over bosses.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

Did you mistype here and miss a two zeros, or do you and I have wildly different opinions on what a truly massive dungeon is?

Nah, I'm basing those numbers on mount running speed and on direct running, rather than getting through mobs and stuff.

And if dungeons are way bigger than I think they'll be - the respawn would be right outside the dungeon, which then makes them super campable, as was the case with L2's TP spots near dungeons.

Noaani

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Did you mistype here and miss a two zeros, or do you and I have wildly different opinions on what a truly massive dungeon is?

Nah, I'm basing those numbers on mount running speed and on direct running, rather than getting through mobs and stuff.

Yeah, so, that is smaller than I am expecting.

And if dungeons are way bigger than I think they'll be - the respawn would be right outside the dungeon

If they are as big as I am expecting, dungeons should be able to support multiple respawns within themselves.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

If they are as big as I am expecting, dungeons should be able to support multiple respawns within themselves.

I hope that's the case, but I do not see that happening.

Noaani

Ludullu_(NiKr) wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

If they are as big as I am expecting, dungeons should be able to support multiple respawns within themselves.

I hope that's the case, but I do not see that happening.

I would laugh if Ashes open world dungeons are smaller than EQ2's open world dungeons - considering Ashes is an open world game and EQ2 is largely an instanced game.

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