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I see this comment on so many threads you are thinking about it as a early access bla bla bla.
Alpha 2 was suposed to be online 24/7, but they delayd and dont want to admit it so they came up with Phases.
Some are calling out there BS call a spade for a spade we delayd Alpha 2 until May 2025 but we will do some spot test before that.
Then people like you come around and start attacking becuse you want to defend Intrepid even tough Steven said they dont want White Knights.
Intrepid should be transparent and say. Hay we cant do 24/7 presistent Alpha just yet, but we will give you as much access as we can.
Love when people that have no idea what they are talking start saying white knighting lmao. The fact you thought alpha 2 (with the numbers they have) was going to start without any build up shows you have no clue how development works.
I guess my 15 years of development experience is just a dream.
Ok good to know.
I will have to notify my employer about that on monday.
Something is clearly up with your experience, if your take is 100* worse than other people with experience and even worse than people without experience.
What i find worse is not only you having a bad take but trying to almost do misinformation on top of it.
I was aware then that they wouldn't be able to have a persistent Alpha up when I bought the key. The fact that there will even be a persistent Alpha still is a shock to me.
Most alphas and betas are hardly ever persistent in my experience.
That just means you don't participate in very many crowdfunded or "early access" games (this term has been taken so far out of context by Steven that a lot of people here don't understand what it actually means on Steam).
Missinformation what are you smoking?
Steven, the somewhat experienced Creative Director, realizes that it's best to have 24/7 Alpha 2 later, rather than sooner.
You trying to spam Alpha 2 isn't persistent lmao?
doesnt mean that everyone is ...
why dont you attack the ones spreading the miss information that alpha 2 will be starting as a persistent world ? ... like steven your messiah ... who in an interview told everyone what persistent means and doubled down .... " 24/7 access ".... or that girl in the podcast streams ... who also said that alpha 2 will be the start of the persistent world ....
you attack people for believing in those two ... thats toxic ...
i know obviously he redefines now what alpha 2 means ... but if he would be consistent with naming and definitions that he introduced ... he would name this "Alpha 2 phase 1"
alpha 1.5 ... and "alpha 2 Phase 2" would be called alpha 1.75 and Phase 3 is the og alpha 2 definition ....
you accept everything intrepid is doing as if it was the right thing to do ... ITS WRONG to redefine things on the fly .... trying to sell keys again -.- ... noone would care if he didnt try to sell keys again ... BEFORE giving any testers access ...
but if you put a price tag next to something you already sold on some promises and suddenly redefine what that thing that you sold is .... thats shady af
It is not tough, not yet anyway presisten always meant online 24/7 until they changed the defenition.
That is a fact.
What I don't understand is why are you taking it so personal. It is not like am attacking you as you are with me.
Am stating a facts, anyways take your blue pill mentalaty somewhere else please.
Am done discusing this with you.
Have a Great day!
You are complaining about an ALPHA. You are not meant to play the game, you are meant to TEST it and provide feedback. Having Alpha be persistent immediately, or next year in May, should make absolutely 0 difference to you, AS A TESTER. It does however make a huge difference to devs, you know, because at this stage of the game, they matter a lot more than you.
If they cannot provide you with something that was promised during this stage, then it's totally normal, for anyone who has a slight clue about development process. Expecting them to meet deadlines, while they're still very much in the middle of developing the game and it's systems, is beyond baffling to me.
If I were Steven, I would never, ever again put a deadline on anything, ever, just because of crybabies online who complain when they cannot meet said deadlines. And for a long time, he didn't want to say when Alpha 2 will happen, because he wanted to avoid situations like these.
Be happy that you get an Alpha 2 this year, because they could've easily pushed it back to May, and maybe then you would've got persistent alpha, except then you would cry about the delay.
I'd be totally supporting the argument if we were talking about a launch, but this is an Alpha. Things change, some deadlines cannot be met due to various reasons.
No, nobody lied to you. Yes, there is a reason they had to push it back.
People that have paid money are absolutely allowed to be upset here. It doesn't matter that we've paid to "test" instead of "play" either. We've invested money into the project and if deadlines are missed then feedback should be provided.
It's beyond idiotic to think that just because they've said "this is an alpha" then that means they're beyond any criticism or negative feedback. If I told my paying clients that and continually missed deadlines you bet your ass I'd hear negative feedback about that, and I would 100% deserve it. If Steven has any sort of professionalism (and I do think he does) then I'd bet money that he'd agree with that.
And yes, missing deadlines in development is expected and normal, to an extent. That isn't some blanket excuse that can be used constantly and eventually it's just an excuse for a deeper problem. I'm not saying Intrepid is at that point but that is eventually the reality of throwing that excuse around constantly. At some point your clients/investors/customers will stop believing it and are going to get angry.
Only people taking this personal is the people spamming its not persistent lmao. A2 is persistent and you now have a outline of their plan (which you should expect delays) on how they are testing their game and the phases for it like all development.
You thought is pretty much equal to expecting everything in Alpha 2 at the start not and realizing everything is going to be tested in steps.
The only reason anyone here is spamming for it to be 24/7 out of the gate, is the same people that don't care they need to work on their server issues, same people that will complain bout lack of content, complain about being unable to play from broken elements or ques, same people wanting them to be paying to keep severs up even if the state is bad or lacks content just so they can run around like they are playing a game.
Welcome to development, now stop expecting a full game and realize this is a alpha not a early access release.
This sounds so extremely privileged its unreal, you aren't an investor you have 0 reason to be upset.
YOU paid money to support the development you didn't pay to put weird expectations.
THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT FEEL THEY SHOULD BE UPSET ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE ONES WITH A THOUGHT OF A2 AKIN TO EARLY ACCESS RELEASE.
That is why you are funny you try to deny it, yall have no clue what an alpha is.
No. If you "paid money" you did it to support the game, not to get to play it before everyone else.
If you view it differently, than that's on you.
There's a huge difference between paying for or rather investing in a product, and paying to support the devs.
There's a huge difference between paying for a finished product, and paying for the development of said product.
I never said they are absolved of any negative feedback, hell, I'll be one of the first people to shit on them if necessary. Don't think I'm any sort of a white-knight for them, because far from it.
However, in this case people are completely missing the point on what the alpha is supposed to be, on what they spent they money, etc. I'll absolutely point out the bs outrage about things that do not matter.
My point is, people are completely missing the point on what Alpha 2 is supposed to be. They're completely missing the point on what they spent their money on. They view it as an early access, when it's just not that, or rather that is only a small part of it.
What does it matter if the alpha is persistent or not immediately? How does that impact you?
Btw, persistent as in there will be no wipes, you get to keep characters, etc. - it doesn't have to mean it's 24/7 online.
I never said people were paying money to "play the game early" lol I don't know where you got that from. Don't reply again until you understand what's being said to you.
I'm addressing the complaints, the whining and crying, and the overreaction in general. Not just your post, or any specific post in this thread for that matter. I've clearly stated "people are", not "you are". I'm simply explaining my point of view to you, and yeah, Don't reply again until you understand what's being said to you.
Naa bud your whole point is akin to Early access + outrage.
Then don't reply directly to someone with something that's a generalized statement while also saying "you" and then get upset when you get called out for your posts being stupid or you not understanding what you're reading. If you want to communicate learn to do it properly. See, I'm using "you" to reply directly to you, I'm not making some idiotic generalized statement about other people.
You've ignored 80% aka the rest of my reply anyways, and are focusing on my wording or the fact I directly quoted you while trying to further explain my point, after your replied to my post.
Are you here to provide good arguments to support your point, or to just argue about bs, and semantics?
I already provided good arguments. The people that paid have every right to be upset at the constant missed deadlines and changing plans and Intrepid is not above hearing negative feedback from those people. Saying "that's software development" and just dismissing the actual problem shows complete ignorance about how professional software development works just as much as people complaining the first time a deadline was missed. All you did was try and dismiss that with irrelevant drivel that had nothing to do with what I said. I never said anything about how they should have the alpha up 24/7. I never said anything about being upset that it won't be up 24/7 at the start either. I don't care what you think the reason other people bought the alpha/beta access for either because that's nothing but baseless conjecture on your part.
If by constant missed deadlines and changing plans you mean the Alpha 1 stuff, I mean sure. Hell, they changed the entire "game" from then to now, but I can only believe it's for the better, as that version had none of the key systems that are going to be in the game. If anything, they should be happy they're willing to re-iterate and improve the game - up to a point of course, they cannot do it forever.
Sure, people have a right to be upset. But the reason why they are upset might not be right. And I've explained why, which is the main point I've repeated, and that I'm going to repeat again.
Maybe they should think more before they spend large amounts of money on something, or rather maybe they should manage expectations better.
Calling it a scam, bait and switch, or whatever else, just because people are upset that they won't get to play the game "continuously" before May, is such a shit reason to be upset about.
I'd understand it more if this was closer to release, but this game is years from release. It's very much in the middle of development.
What are people actually upset about here then, if not because it's not "persistent alpha"? I mean just take a look at the OP and several replies on the first page, nothing I say is "baseless". The fact that you haven't said anything about 24/7 persistent alpha, means nothing in this conversation. Remember, you were the one who replied to me first. You cannot just say "All you did was try and dismiss that with irrelevant drivel", when I'm trying to reiterate my original point.
They're still getting Alpha 2 this year. If it not being persistent means so much to everyone, then I'd say people need to fix their priorities, and maybe focus on other actual issues with the game, its development, etc. rather than something so meaningless.
The fact is, players are upset about them not getting to play the game like they expected to, when they expected to, and my point was, they are there to test it, and provide feedback not to just play it for their own enjoyment. That is the purpose of alpha 2, and that should've been one of the reasons they bought the pack, on top of wanting to support the devs. Whether they get to do it 24/7 for weeks, continuously, or during a weekend, is totally not up to them.
Feel free to ignore this part, as this is only my assumption that might or might not be true:
At the same time Intrepid's FOMO tactics with packs, and now with selling Alpha 2 keys didn't help at all, so yeah, you can be upset about this, as it is a far better reason to being upset about.
Investors pushing game devs to crunch to fit in their unrealistic timeline expectations?
Now where have I seen this before, and what have gamers always said about those people pushing dev teams to crunch out games despite it harming the overall product?
Nothing that can be said here, that’s for sure.
That isn't what I'm saying. Don't put words in other people's mouths. Also don't reply to something you don't actually understand.
I took the words straight from your post. If you don’t see your own entitlement in it, that’s a You problem