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I believe this will not be included, why not? its pretty simple, if in a guild everything that you earn, the guild automatically gets 5%...cant be fairer than that.
Of course this money is guild locked so can only be used to buy guild items.
Of course this money is guild locked so can only be used to buy guild items.
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It's kind of a painful thing to think about. The sort of thing that turns a game into a job. At least you won't be super restricted in terms of what you can buy from an auction house like this, as an economic node's markets will be bustling with activity, and will be available to anybody willing to bring coin and make the trip.
Let's make the assumption that a system for directly taking money from allies isn't in the cards for Ashes, at least not in this way. I can't imagine an automated system that'd demand specific amounts of gold from players. But I can imagine guild masters requiring players to contribute in materially meaningful ways to whatever project the guild has going on, such as lumber for construction, or helping out with a dungeon run. What does that leave?
Well, honestly? The Taxes system. Yeah, that's something already in the game; when doing tasks within the zone of influence of a node, it collects taxes on the exchange, the rate of which can be set by the mayors. Guilds can take castles which gives them access to a region's worth of tax income, so if you want to take advantage of the passive tax system as a guild, the way to do it is to be part of a strong guild that dominates one of the extremely few castles in a server.
That's all, this should finance costs for freeholds, ships, etc.
Which totally kills off the smaller, or like us casuals guilds, my way is by far the better way.
No, thanks, I'm not, nor would most guild leaders, want to go around chasing people for money, way to put a bad feeling in the guild.
Again, my way is by far and away the very best system. plus its a very easy system to implement.
1. Purpose of Guild Taxes:
The primary purpose of implementing a tax on guilds would be to regulate the in-game economy, create a sink for in-game currency, and add strategic decision-making for guild leaders. This system could also help in balancing the game’s resources, encouraging guilds to manage their finances effectively.
2. Implementation of Guild Taxes:
Guild taxes could be implemented in several ways, each affecting different aspects of guild activities:
2.1. Guild Income Tax:
Revenue Sources: Tax could be levied on the collective income of the guild, including earnings from guild-owned resources, trade, and other activities.
Rate Setting: The tax rate could either be fixed by the game’s system or be adjustable based on the node’s governance where the guild is headquartered.
Payment Mechanism: Guilds would pay this tax periodically (e.g., weekly or monthly), and failure to pay could result in penalties such as reduced benefits, loss of certain privileges, or even dissolution of the guild if the tax remains unpaid over a long period.
2.2. Member Contributions:
Fixed Contributions: Each guild member could be required to contribute a fixed amount of currency (or resources) regularly to the guild’s treasury, which could then be taxed.
Income-Based Contributions: Alternatively, individual member contributions could be based on their income or wealth, similar to an income tax, promoting fairness but requiring more complex systems to track earnings.
2.3. Transaction Taxes:
Guild Trade Tax: A tax on all transactions involving the sale or trade of goods between guild members or between the guild and external parties. This would add a layer of cost to guild activities, encouraging strategic decisions about when and where to trade.
Crafting and Resource Tax: A small tax could be applied to resources gathered or items crafted by guild members within the guild’s territory or node. This tax would encourage guilds to optimize their resource management.
3. Use of Tax Revenue:
Guild tax revenue could be used in several ways, benefiting both the guild and the wider game world:
3.1. Guild-Specific Benefits:
Infrastructure Development: Tax revenue could be used to build and upgrade guild-specific infrastructure, such as guild halls, fortifications, or resource-gathering facilities.
Wages and Bonuses: Guild leaders could use tax revenue to pay wages or bonuses to guild members, incentivizing participation in guild activities.
War Funds: Taxes could be pooled into a war fund, allowing guilds to finance large-scale PvP operations, such as sieges or defense efforts.
3.2. Node Contribution:
Node Development: A portion of the tax could automatically go to the node where the guild is based, contributing to its growth and stability. This would tie guild prosperity to the node’s well-being, encouraging cooperation between guilds and node leaders.
Public Services: Tax revenue could fund public services or defenses within the node, benefiting all players residing or operating within that node.
4. Governance and Policy:
The governance of guild taxes could be managed by either the game system or by player-driven policies:
4.1. Node Government Influence:
Node governments could have the authority to set tax rates on guilds within their jurisdiction, creating a dynamic political environment where guilds might choose to relocate to nodes with more favorable tax policies.
Guild leaders might lobby or vie for political power within the node to influence tax policies.
4.2. Guild Autonomy:
Guilds could be given some autonomy to decide how they levy internal taxes on their members, allowing different guilds to adopt different financial strategies.
This could create a competitive environment where players choose guilds not only based on their activities but also on their tax policies.
5. Potential Challenges and Considerations:
5.1. Player Engagement:
Balancing the tax system to avoid burdening players while still making it a meaningful mechanic is crucial. If taxes are too high, they may discourage participation; if too low, they might not have the desired economic impact.
5.2. Economic Balance:
The tax system must be carefully balanced to ensure it doesn’t disproportionately affect smaller or newer guilds. Progressive tax systems or tax relief for smaller guilds could be implemented to address this.
5.3. Impact on Guild Dynamics:
Taxes could affect guild dynamics, potentially causing friction between members and leaders over how funds are managed. Clear communication and transparent governance within guilds would be essential to mitigate this.
Could be 1% 3% what ever, though 5% feels right.
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Funny enough, i kinda thought that, also thought you would be great in a guild.
everytime i asked this in different groups people found this being a better idea then having taxes, just a flat montly affordable fee and never pay tax again
Sounds bloody prefect
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"But there is no God" said Stalin
"Ah, said the farmer, as there are no potatoes."
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But if they are ever to exist it would make sense for them to be used to pay the Guilds taxes to the Node. GuildHalls specifically are Freehold like plots which would be paying taxes like any freehold. Taxes of members to pay that would make sense. Likewise if the GuildHall has upgrade options then the remaining guild taxes after paying node taxes can be earmarked for said upgrades. Upgrades will raise node taxes so a guildhall will be self balancing.
What for Items would that be, i wonder ?
I know you can in Worst of Warcraft buy certain Items if your Guild has a lot of Achievements, Reputation, whatever one would name it.
And it's not forced for any Guildmember to pay Taxes to the Guild for it.
But what for Guild Items should that be that require Guild Members to pay Taxes ? Can every single Member of the Guild use them ? Or just the Leaders ? Which Effects should these Items have/cause ?
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I would simply not play any game that has an automated guild tax system, and would not join any guild that has a mandatory ta on its members.
The absolute most I would ever do in my own guild is inform members that we are trying to purchase {whatever we are trying to purchase}, and would appreciate anything people can put towards it. I would even go as far as to suggest people send coin from an alt so as to anonymize things.
How much money people have to put in to a guild fund - or how much they are willing to put in - is very subjective. I wouldn't ever expect the same level of commitment to the guild from someone that had been with us for 3 months as I would from someone that had been with us for 10 years, so why would I ever want both to be forced to contribute the same?
In my opinion, if people understand the guilds expenses but the guild has trouble meeting them, that guild obviously hasn't engendered a sense of belonging in its members, and so kind of deserves to fail.
Well if you bothered to read, and understand what I wrote m which was so simple a 5 year old would have no issues, I did say the money should be build locked, so can only be used for guild purchases.
But then hey reading what’s written and what people want to see is often beyond the stu…
I DID SAY THE MONEY WOULD BE LOCKED TO GUILD PURCHASES ONLY
However, it's been my experience that the majority of a decent or better guild’s funds come in the form of donations from the more dedicated members. Flat out giving gold, gear or items, crafting materials, using their skills to craft things with guild materials for the guild to sell. I’ve even rented myself out as raid healer and guide for smaller guilds that would pay my guilds asking price a few times.
There is already a guild tax system planned though. Your guild would just need to get/be strong enough to take and hold a castle. Admittedly, I do expect the list of guild's that can do that successfully to be small. With formal alliances and such it may just help that list grow, one can only hope.
Are you sure you’ve played other MMOs, Noaani?
Asking gamers for a donation towards anything is like pulling teeth.
From a guild perspective, straight-up donation requests are usually a sign that the guild is brand new or unorganized.
Unless there’s organized guild fundraising (e.g. raffles, auctions, etc.), the best way for the guild to raise money is through taxes.
members can get experience taxed (just stay at 0% until you are max level) then after that, just get the max tax on you. the experience you contribute can be used as guild currency to buy guild stuff. no need to take players money.
How about locking the Money in the ... ... ... ... "Pockets" of their Guild Members ?
And those Members "themselves" can decide whetever they want to spend it on Guild Items. That Money spend should wander into the Guild and only being able to be spend for Guild Decisions.
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Yes this has experience always been my, few years ago, well over 10 I guess now there was a MMO that did this, it made things so much easier, and there was zero griping. (sure there been a few more since) or maybe even before but that was my first encounter of it)
I would like to move away from always being the same section carrying the guild, and have a guild where the contributions are even & fair.
IMO 5% is a good amount, though would like it scaled if I could, say when the guild reach X amount, it drops to 3% then when it reach X amount to 1%, and swings back up if guild funds drop below those levels.
This is a dead easy add to any game, as its being done before.
Its also the fairest solution in my eyes
But you would still like all the guild advantages, but only pay for those which suit you...definitely the worst kind of guild members, type i try my best to root out.
This is 100% accurate, there's always a core that help, but the rest, are just a pain, even though it benefits them, they just want others to pay for that benefit, like the guy i replied to above!
Please proceed with the thread under the basic and obvious assumption without strawmanning of saying you support or oppose guild taxes being a system in the game "IF INTREPID SETS THE RATE AT X%" because their is zero chance Intrepid is going to set some kind of universal rate.