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You can try to form another guild they are not upset with.
You can try to infiltrate them and weaken them from inside.
There are countless creative in-game tactics you could use.
If I was in Apex I would leave. Join another guild. Join pirates. Just don't stay with someone who can't lead you in game.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
VladCervantes was your guild member that let us know you were mass reporting my account to get me banned. He was also the person we killed at the shrine. Why would the guild member you "counseled" be the one outing your group for this behavior?
Further, your guild members continuously entered my Twitch stream chat, were banned, and then returned on alt accounts. Twitch shows us ban evading accounts so this was trivial to identify and deal with.
Overall you FAFO here. If you would have left it at in-game PVP it would have just been good fights. Extending that to attempted banning via mass reports makes this KoS order permanent.
Leave that kind of behavior in EVE next time and you won't have problems like this.
- Maldavius
This right here makes me lose all respect for you. Your age, nor your kids, have anything to do with the situation. Using your kids to garner sympathy is just downright low and gross behavior.
If you declare war on a guild you do not gain corruption when you kill them. GvG is not a bug its a feature. Anyone with that guild tag is free game for a time.
I understand that this was before these events happened. OP's version of events don't make a lot of sense when there's video evidence against it.
At around 1h50m in the same VOD they killed Thor and set this drama off.
Reben was present before the attack:
Reben was present during the attack an hour later:
if i had a guild, id literally declare you Kill On Sight as well for being toxic to my community and trying to get people banned for something you started (by pvping)
the PvP is fine. but do face that you made a mistake. contact them and apologise for the out-game reporting and de-escalate it properly instead of complaining on forums all over the internet.
Well then so is Streaming and the initial Social media drama from Pirates. I don't see how you can say Apex is the party out of line for 'taking it out of game' when a streamer zerg guilds entire EXISTENCE is an explicit use of out of game social media to bolster themselves in game.
Here again your explicity endorsing thor's use of 'out of game' channels to communicate 'to the community' a message. You just seem to be saying that Pirates has the privlage of using social media to conduct guild propaganda (showing the community their wrath against a percived transgression) is legit, but anyone else pushing back with their own propaganda is out of line somehow for doing it 'out of game'.
As far as I am concerned when Thor declared a vendeta on another guild on stream he made out of game spaces fair game for Apex to use for their counter-propaganda. And lets not be under any illusions, this is a propaganda battle now, something which has always traditionally been done out of game for decades in MMO's.
Even Pirates don't seem to be making this argument that Apex posting is illegitimate because of WHERE they did it, they are just calling Apex narrative a lie and pushing their own narrative as the truth. Maybe they understand how pathetic it would look to make this 'how dare you take this out of game' accusation from their position.
Guild A pisses off Guild B.
Guild B retaliates.
Since Guild B has more members, higher levels, and/or better skill, they crush Guild A.
Guild A now has a few choices:
1.) Guild A try to reason with Guild B. Maybe offer an apology, maybe offer gold, maybe offer to become an ally.
Guild B does NOT have to accept, remember this is a social interaction. Not all humans are reasonable. Real life wars have been started for less than the death of a general, whether intentional or not, and retaliation to a perceived wrong have gone for generations.
2.) Guild A can try to fight back. They can engage in gorilla warfare. They can form or join an alliance. They can hire mercenaries, go on forums and say, I’ll pay x amount of gold for every confirmed kill of a member of Guild B.
3.) Guild A can disband. Remember it is just a game. I understand being attached to your guild name, but in this specific case Guild B is NOT going after individuals named members, they’re looking for anyone who wears their enemies colors.
Like many interested in this game I have been playing social sandbox MMO’s a long time, and this has ALWAYS happened, 20 years ago on WoW you would find situations EXACTLY like this.
And guess what? Since it’s a game you don’t HAVE to engage with it. As I stated above, there are many things Guild A can do that can mitigate or remove from themselves situation.
It’s a game friends. There is no harassment going on here. To my knowledge there is no spawn camping. There are no real life threats of bodily harm or egregious verbal harassment either in game chat or on socials outside the game. No one is backed into a corner, completely out of options.
Personally I hope we can all get along and have fun. And if this isn’t your idea of fun, engage in a different way or not at all. It’s a game my friends. I’m always sorry to see people getting emotionally hurt as a result. I hope everyone stays happy and healthy.
this summarises it perfectly. Apex has the options:
1) Apologise and try to ally
2) Fight back
2A) Find allies to overpower Pirates
2B) Hurt them from underground/guerrilla warfare
3) Disband / End the hostility
the "issue" only kicked off the face of the earth when they started to request bans and complained to GM's that the mere existance of a big guild is the issue on gameplay. its not. its your inability to deal with big guilds and the warfare. you kicked the ball, but are not ready to play the gmae
If not, I badly want to know what gorilla warfare is.
We get it. You don't like streamers.
Thor is free to stream and he seems to accept the consequences that. The evidence is that he more than likely got stream snipped and he accepted that risk when he went live in a open world game.
It's a double edged sword. He is constantly giving information to his potential enemies. Like his location.
He is not the one that is on Reddit, discord, and here crying and mass reporting people because his failure in leadership.
It's so easy for a guild to make a internal list of other guilds to mess with and to not mess with. If Apex did not have that or their members where not aware of it. That is awful leadership.
I would also argue that the stream takes place in the game world much more than discord, x, Reddit or this forum. At least on the stream you are literally seeing the game world in real time.
Yes is is a little out of game, but not to the degree of mass reporting.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
honestly who cares if thor was writing a bug report. afking in a open world PVP game and complaining you get killed lmao its your own fault. i liked him but after reading this, jesus thor stop whining.
also, I believe intrepid has said no shrine camping. should have reported them IMO.
also, why are you complaining in the forums about this? lol
open world PVP game
(the KoS and their response it totally within the game scope) and lie about what you did in the process when there is video, lol.
It shows you didn't read nor understand the situation.
Thor didn't whine. He used the resources he possesses and called out a KOS AFTER he learned about Apex talking about mass reporting HIM. By one of Apex's ex-members (who quit because of this).
He then continued to call out the blatant lies spread by Apex they try to spread to fit their own narrative, while Thor ALSO provides video evidence of the true events.
You didn't answer my question:
Also what's that about spawn camping and exploiting the corruption bug?
Feeling entitled much? Do your own research. Corruption sometimes worked and sometimes it didn't. They implemented a potential fix for it this round of Alpha Access. What you are basically demanding is that nobody engages in PvP. Furthermore, calling 3-4 kills camping is a bit of a stretch. Guess you never played WoW and really camped someone. I've killed the same person about 40 times in STV over a period of 3 hours after he repeatedly ganked a guild mate.
1. Live with the kos in game. Suck it up.
2. De-escalate with pirates even if you feel wronged so your players and yourself can enjoy the game (fyi this thread is not a de-escalation post, wrong tone)
3. Man up, find a way to fight back, recruite people or find ways to stick it to the bigger guild. Use it as fuel for your own content. Ambush every small party of pirates you see, they put your guild on kos, do it right back.
4. Run away, turn tail everytime you see a pirate, go to a different server, or leave the game.
Only extra point even with a kos in place camping a spawn for more than one death is not cool or fun for either party.
Well, we will know for sure after this weekend how it turns out once they "get to play" again. lol
Remove thine filthy presence, peasant.
I asked PirateSoftware.