Gear Scaling does not feel good

Seeing the dup items shows the scaling between common, Uncommon and Legendary items.

Common Bow - 99-134 damage
Uncommon Bow - 140-187 Damage
Legendary Bow - 481-634 Damage
(these are all level 10 bows)

From Common to Legendary thats 4.7 x more powerful on a level 10 bow. That is way outside realm of skill mattering in a PvP fight. Gear should never be an advantage of more then 50%. IMO from common to Legendary you should not have more then a 30% boost. PvP feels best when you can still kill a top gear char still with skill. With a 4.7 x gear jump. Thats just not going to happen. In game now Carphin geared players are 1 and 2 shooting people of the same level even vs the the same class of the same level.

What are your thoughts?

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ShivaFang

Gear is supposed to be 50% of player power.
It's currently 95% of player power.

ShivaFang

It's already there, this likely won't be fixed before the 20th.
Endure it (or peace out) until phase 2 at this point.

TiberiusTheron

ShivaFang wrote: »

Gear is supposed to be 50% of player power.
It's currently 95% of player power.

Yea, it's current a huge issue in my opinion.

Blazzen

https://youtu.be/7-Ct9AgFTaI?si=T_VHZZX858nNxKN3

Gear scaling has to be addressed ASAP. Lvl 10 legendary weapons doing 4-5x the dmg of dropped weapons to the point people are 3 manning firebrand raid boss.

Hutchy1989

thats more than just legendary weapons but yes gear scaling is a bit much

ShivaFang

I actually think the gear scaling is fine. Legendary should truly be legendary.
However, I think the real problem is that its too easy to get high quality materials. It should be much more rare.

Hutchy1989

ShivaFang wrote: »

I actually think the gear scaling is fine. Legendary should truly be legendary.
However, I think the real problem is that its too easy to get high quality materials. It should be much more rare.

I personally don't like that all gear can be made as legendary, there should be legendary weapons to be made that takes a lot of effort and requires boss kills, not just grinding copper and wood until you RNG your way into legendary gear.

stanleycavell

Lol, did you watch Constantine's video? The gear scaling is NOT fine lmao. There will be no skill expression with gear like this. There's no game with gear like this. Please check out the video: www.twitch.tv/videos/2315467059

IustinusShiva

stanleycavell wrote: »

Lol, did you watch Constantine's video? The gear scaling is NOT fine lmao. There will be no skill expression with gear like this. There's no game with gear like this. Please check out the video: www.twitch.tv/videos/2315467059

Legendary materials should be a 1/100000 chance. (quality is a 10x rarity multipiter in nearly every otehr context) Currently it seems too high.
It's supposed to be really, really, really rare to get such things.

Even if everyone on the server funnels it together, I don't think you'd see a single legendary craft before most players are level 25, if it were as rare as it's 'supposed' to be.

SmileGurney

Broken storage, gear power scaling and easily exploitable bosses (for "easy" legendary drops etc) are on the top of my priority list for pre-phase 2 bug fixes. This stuff breaks economy and the little fun you can have in the current pvp. Gear power scaling turns pvp into a comedy show atm.

nanfoodle

This is 100% tuned wrong. From common to legendary you gear is 4.7 times more powerful. For PvP a jump of 50% or more is no longer a skill game. Almost 370% increase is dumb. People are getting 1 and 2 shots dead.

Pham

Idk. I kind of like the idea of having the potential to have really super powerful characters in the game. Remember, getting full sets of this legendary gear isn't easy either. You might say they had to first conquer the "gathering/crafting raid boss" in order to get that powerful to begin with.

It's easy to just see the fruits of all that labor in a video like this and forget what all it took, behind the scenes, to get there.

All we see is 3 people killing a (relatively) low-level raid boss. We don't see all the hundreds of man-hours it likely took to get to the point where they could.

nanfoodle

My thread on the topic

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/488357#Comment_488357

Some good comments here as well.

This was the best post from the thread

Veeshan wrote: »

Defence gets x2, dmg gets x4 this i think might be the biggest issue :P although mybe the calculators balance out, i feel weapon might need to be halfed

nanfoodle

ShivaFang wrote: »

Gear is supposed to be 50% of player power.
It's currently 95% of player power.

I rather PvP and PvE be more tuned to skill over gear. I would like to see it no higher then 30%.

Pham

I think 50/50 would be good. Not sure how you would measure that though. Just anecdotal

Zapatos80

As someone with almost all crafted legendary gear, I can confirm it is absolutely busted. Less damage scaling, more armor scaling, less ridiculous damage/TTK in PVP. Drastically reduce scaling to legendary. And make green/blue crafted gear worth crafting by limiting dropped gear to green at most.

Granted a lot of this wasn't the focus for phase 1, but I really hope it gets fixed for Phase 2 wipe otherwise it's going to be real broken for a real long time.

Veeshan

Zapatos80 wrote: »

As someone with almost all crafted legendary gear, I can confirm it is absolutely busted. Less damage scaling, more armor scaling, less ridiculous damage/TTK in PVP. Drastically reduce scaling to legendary. And make green/blue crafted gear worth crafting by limiting dropped gear to green at most.

Granted a lot of this wasn't the focus for phase 1, but I really hope it gets fixed for Phase 2 wipe otherwise it's going to be real broken for a real long time.

armor already seem to scale more than weapons
Weapons gain 3 times the power rating between green and legendary which gets divided by 3 aswell when rating gets converted to physical power (Atleast for ranger) so a lego 900 power rating bow for example will prove 300 power (Its like 30 power per quality increase) So its only getting 33% increase in power rating

Where armor rating is doubled between green and legendary so you are gaining more armor than combat power per piece so TTK should be increased however i guess that depends if there diminishing returns on dmg reduction with higher armor.

Zapatos80

Lvl 20 green/blues cloth = 40% magic mitigation
Lvl 10 full legendary cloth = 60% magic mitigation

My 4k shatter hitting for for 3,2k won't change much when it comes to dying in 3 globals.

Veeshan

nanfoodle wrote: »

My thread on the topic

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/488357#Comment_488357

Some good comments here as well.

This was the best post from the thread

Veeshan wrote: »

Defence gets x2, dmg gets x4 this i think might be the biggest issue :P although mybe the calculators balance out, i feel weapon might need to be halfed

Im gonna update this slightly with how combat rating actualy effects combat power, Pretty much that rating value gets divided by 3 to get your actualy combat power so it not as huge of a difference than just looking at the numbers there on the weapons (Im assuming this is done on a class by class basis so they can stright up nerf a class effect with a certain stat for balancing if needed)
Where armor is straight up doubled it might actualy increase the TTK between full legendary players not reduce it but i guess that depend on if armor bonus has diminishing returns on it or not armor to dmg reduction given.
People prioritise weapon over armor so you see the scewed effect of somone with lego weapon vsing peopel with basicly wearing paper since everyone using mob drops still when it comes to armor.

Veeshan

Blazzen wrote: »

https://youtu.be/7-Ct9AgFTaI?si=T_VHZZX858nNxKN3

Gear scaling has to be addressed ASAP. Lvl 10 legendary weapons doing 4-5x the dmg of dropped weapons to the point people are 3 manning firebrand raid boss.

Also legendary weapon are equivelent to heroic lvl 20s when u go up a level brack u reduce the quality by 2 and thats what the piece is equivelant to atleast thats how it seems to work so far. So a Heroic lvl 20 is the same as a legendary lvl 10 and a Green lvl 20 is the same as a heroic lvl 10 piece.

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