DPS Meter Megathread

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Nagash

mrwaffles wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Oh look yet ANOTHER dps thread

no no no...this one's different. More different than

this one ,or this one,or this one,or THIS one.

(only went back 2 pages with last updated of 8/1 to get those links.

you're right this is completely different

daxiongmao87

noaani wrote: »

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I just want to point out, I have never stareted a thread on this topic..

This is true and I respect that. I've spammed the forums with more posts than you and I've only been here for a week or so.

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Yuyukoyay

daxiongmao87 wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

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I just want to point out, I have never stareted a thread on this topic..

This is true and I respect that. I've spammed the forums with more posts than you and I've only been here for a week or so.

Me too. xD

NyxSidus

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

As long as there is relatively obvious push back against the idea they won't consider it though. There is a slight chance they could change their mind otherwise, but I don't think DPS meters accomplish anything in the game. A good player can get a grasp of how much damage they are doing without one. So you will probably be able to get a good look at if you are playing the class correctly or not.

I'm against them because I don't want to use them. If they are in the game I'm going to be forced to use them.

Also there are going to be a lot of class combinations that will be good that won't be able to use them. There are probably going to be a lot of classes that bring utility that the stats are blind to. Like how in classic WoW Paladins did the most damage in the game that can't be tracked by the game because it was through buffs.

parsers can check that now. look at dancer in ff14 XD, also if youre a high end guild you cant get a "feel" for your dmg as opposed to others if youre in a pure dps role. if you feel your class combo is sub par to another you have limited ways to test yourself against others. they need to find a happy medium between the pros and cons of a dps meter

Beekeeper

noaani wrote: »

No combat tracker means all PvE content will be less complex, and thus easier to figure out. Players like myself will use combat trackers not because it gives us an dvantage, but because it will - in time - force Intrepid to accept their use just as happened in GW2.

Imagine approaching Dark Souls or Monster Hunter with that attitude. "Unless the game forces me to parse invisible data, it's not complex enough mechanics". Ridiculous.

noaani wrote: »

You could argue that a tool akin to DBM goes against the design direction of Ashes, but having access to information is absolutely consistent with everything else in the game.

It's about having perfect information, when the world is trying to convey itself as natural, breathing. Having imperfect information is part of life and informs so many decisions we make as humans, taking that uncertainty away just turns it all into a math problem.

Mc Eggroll

Neurath wrote: »

We are never done with the DPS Meter Threads, because no matter how many times they are told 'No, not going to happen' they continue to whine like little children and throw temper tantrums and make threats.

Most people would just keep quiet and chip away, but no, the e-peen people must make the threats in some vain attempt to display misguided superiority. They couldn't learn to play without extra tools elsewhere and they want those extra tools in Ashes or 'Ashes won't be good'. What a bland and bothersome escapade we keep repeating.

I believe it's happening because Steven has been doing all those interviews with very popular streamers and keeps saying to bring feedback to them and come talk in the forums. So that's what they are doing, they want dps meters so they are talking about them. Are they doing it the best way and reading past threads and adding to them? No, but the fact that there are these many threads just shows how important this topic is to many MMORPG players.

I've played MMOs with and without DPS meters and I've played BDO which doesn't even show a number when you hit someone or something, I'm fine with either decision .If the game is fun people will play it meters or not. I'm not sure if it's even a debatable thing, but since Steven says they want all the feedback possible then here we are lol.

Yuyukoyay

Well in pvp you will be getting destroyed in mirror matchups and be wondering why. Since pvp is going to be forced more or less then it's going to happen eventually. Also high end guilds do have a sense of when their damage isn't enough. It's tied to why they are high end in the first place. Once you learn what each class is capable of at their best then you can make a prediction on mass if your guild is doing good or not.

Yuyukoyay

NyxSidus

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Well in pvp you will be getting destroyed in mirror matchups and be wondering why. Since pvp is going to be forced more or less then it's going to happen eventually. Also high end guilds do have a sense of when their damage isn't enough. It's tied to why they are high end in the first place. Once you learn what each class is capable of at their best then you can make a prediction on mass if your guild is doing good or not.

but you cant tell who is lacking in dps and how they have to improve if you cant see a physical representation.

Yuyukoyay

You shouldn't be able to. Just because they aren't playing absolutely perfectly isn't important as long as they aren't dying and screwing the raid over. I also don't want it to influence Loot Privilege. You can also just watch people and see what they are doing. Often if you play the same class and they aren't doing what you do then you can just chat with them.

NyxSidus

ok. well then ill assume you havent played top tier raiding i nany game, you literally have to play perfectly in most games to succeed at cutting edge progression, if you dont know what youre doing wrong on dps and what others are doing wrong you cant work out how to change your spec around and alter your own play. hell you cant even see your uptime XD. i understand why casual players dont like dps meters, they think it will afect their casual raiding but only people competing against others will care in non hardcore raiding.

NyxSidus

hell if they made a dps meter only you can see it would fix the problem anyways, hardcore raiders would share with each other and be able to see all their stats and the casuals wouldnt have to share

Yuyukoyay

Shouldn't assume someone is casual because they don't like a system. I actually don't like it because I'm not casual. I want everyone to have to go through what I do to find the most optimal way to play. Not just giving the answer for free because of Damage Meters. Damager Meters are an inherently casual system as well.

You also don't need optimal damage if the company actually balances the content. If you base it off WoW for instance. They have never balanced a Raid since Black Temple. They essentially released them without testing for the last like 6 expansions. It's pretty obvious too since a lot of them had very easy to spot glitches or huge stat disparities that should not have existed.

daxiongmao87

Mc Eggroll wrote: »

but the fact that there are these many threads just shows how important this topic is to many MMORPG players.

It's true that there are quite a few players who want some sort of DPS meter, the majority don't want it, and many also don't care about it. Twice as many people either don't want it or don't care about it than those who want it. Not an indiscriminate amount, but still a minority.

Beekeeper

daxiongmao87 wrote: »

Roughly one third of the forum seems to want it.

I'd call that a huge overestimation.

daxiongmao87

Beekeeper wrote: »

daxiongmao87 wrote: »

Roughly one third of the forum seems to want it.

I'd call that a huge overestimation.

https://strawpoll.com/7hyq1vcz7/r

In your defense it is a very small sample size

iSinner

Unless the raid boss puts a time constraint on the battle, dps meters are completely irrelevant.

Yuyukoyay

"I played the most casual MMO to try to prove a hardcore statistic".

Fixed.

Still support the OP's ability to overcome his crutch though.

Beekeeper

Thanks for the megathread, should keep things a bit more contained hopefully.

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