We need the option to disable cosmetics.

I understand AoC intends to cater to RP'ers, but for the sake of gameplay in an open PvP world, we need to see what gear people are wearing before a fight breaks out. I don't think it's viable to have to inspect each person we come across. Please add the option to disable cosmetics.

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Taleof2Cities

ClintHardwood wrote: »

Do we really have to go through this because some people want us to see which skins they bought? Just let people disable cosmetics at their discretion. Those who wish to enjoy them can do so at their leisure, but give the rest of us the choice.

The enjoyment comes from other players seeing your achievement cosmetics ... not you seeing your own cosmetics.

Surely, you understand that distinction, @ClintHardwood?

That might sound vain to some ... but as mentioned in my other post it's not an issue/problem in the MMOs I currently play.

George_Black

I would like that but it's not going to happen.

If such an option was available the value of the cosmetics would go down, since the people buying them want to show off and they wouldnt be able to.

No studio would bring the value of their cosmetics down.

Caww

If there was a real performance difference to be had in high population situations then I suppose an option would make sense, but I really rely on cosmetics to cover up the fact I have no fashion sense, I prefer to throw on one item and be done with it, if someone were to see the mish-mash I usually cobble together, then they might get the impression I don't care enough about the game to pay attention to details... which is true, but I don't want to be caught not caring..

bloodprophet

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic. Anybody can use any gear makes the whole cosmetics argument moot as long as using the cosmic or transmog system means using plate cosmetics only on plate and cloth only on cloth.

CROW3

bloodprophet wrote: »

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic.

My first thought is that Bard must have some rough gigs. 🙀

bloodprophet

CROW3 wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic.

My first thought is that Bard must have some rough gigs. 🙀

Sounds like a good time to me. But then I do like......more aggressive music.

Noaani

bloodprophet wrote: »

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic. Anybody can use any gear makes the whole cosmetics argument moot as long as using the cosmic or transmog system means using plate cosmetics only on plate and cloth only on cloth.

What it would mean depends greatly on the games combat system.

If armor gave a flat damage reduction to physical damage, someone in plate armor would tell you that you shouldn't use smaller physical attacks - stick to bigger attacks, even if they are slower.

The two handed sword would tell me the attacks are slow, meaning I probably have time between swings to get my attacks in, if I manage to not get hit by his.

The thing with gear being agnostic though, is that each item type is still probably going to have inherent bonuses/effects to it. Daggers are likely going to have faster attacks, and two handed swords will likely be slower - I expect there to be an inherent effect on the weapons that translates this to abilities (it could be an outright boost/reduction to cast speed of abilities, or it could be that ability cast speed is a function of weapon speed - either way, I expect something along these lines).

There will almost definitely also be weapons that have inherent bonus effects to spells and to healing. Sure, you may be able to adjust stats, but inherent bonuses are, well, inherent.

The other thing that a person in plate armor with a two handed sword tells me is that they probably have average defense against magic - at best.

So, I would summarize that this two handed sword wielding, plate armor wearing person coming at me is either a melee character that is well defended against melee (probably someone that is planning on going after a rogue) but expects to deal out some damage (no shield), but is probably not a caster or healer. If they are a caster or healer, or if they are melee but expect to defend, I will then know that they are probably not going to do all that good of a job.

Or we could have it Ashes way, where that person is actually a bear on a unicycle, but just wearing a plate armor cosmetic.

Nerror

They are likely removing cosmetics in siege battles to improve client side performance. So there is that. And we'll have to test if the icon by the nameplate is enough. As for gear inspection, I don't want that in the game in the first place.

Liniker

hell nah, bro I paid over a thousand dollars in cosmetics over the years every time I pass by I want them to make an animation that locks your camera on me and zoom in for 10 seconds so you can have a good look on my f cosmetics 😂

Ferryman

Who cares about other players cosmetics especially if those are bought with really money... no-one.

bloodprophet

Noaani wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic. Anybody can use any gear makes the whole cosmetics argument moot as long as using the cosmic or transmog system means using plate cosmetics only on plate and cloth only on cloth.

What it would mean depends greatly on the games combat system.

If armor gave a flat damage reduction to physical damage, someone in plate armor would tell you that you shouldn't use smaller physical attacks - stick to bigger attacks, even if they are slower.

The two handed sword would tell me the attacks are slow, meaning I probably have time between swings to get my attacks in, if I manage to not get hit by his.

The thing with gear being agnostic though, is that each item type is still probably going to have inherent bonuses/effects to it. Daggers are likely going to have faster attacks, and two handed swords will likely be slower - I expect there to be an inherent effect on the weapons that translates this to abilities (it could be an outright boost/reduction to cast speed of abilities, or it could be that ability cast speed is a function of weapon speed - either way, I expect something along these lines).

There will almost definitely also be weapons that have inherent bonus effects to spells and to healing. Sure, you may be able to adjust stats, but inherent bonuses are, well, inherent.

The other thing that a person in plate armor with a two handed sword tells me is that they probably have average defense against magic - at best.

So, I would summarize that this two handed sword wielding, plate armor wearing person coming at me is either a melee character that is well defended against melee (probably someone that is planning on going after a rogue) but expects to deal out some damage (no shield), but is probably not a caster or healer. If they are a caster or healer, or if they are melee but expect to defend, I will then know that they are probably not going to do all that good of a job.

Or we could have it Ashes way, where that person is actually a bear on a unicycle, but just wearing a plate armor cosmetic.

Interesting your first thought is warrior with slow attacks and that it is not possible to be a cleric bard or summoner.
Could the battle mage make proper use of "inherent" gear abilities?
The whole point is trying to judge your opponent base strictly on the armor they are showing you
Lots of people transmog into starter gear while wearing top gear just to get an edge.

Dolyem

While I would indeed love to be able to just look at a character and be able to tell what their gear is, I will be content if their current plan to have a icon next to their name indicating their gear level. I will say they will also need to clearly indicated their class build as well seeing as that is very important in pvp. But who knows, could be way more fun to have to risk jumping into a fight where the person is hiding their intentions regarding their playstyle, totally sounds like something I would do.

Ferryman

Dolyem wrote: »

While I would indeed love to be able to just look at a character and be able to tell what their gear is, I will be content if their current plan to have a icon next to their name indicating their gear level. I will say they will also need to clearly indicated their class build as well seeing as that is very important in pvp.

According to the wiki the icons should tell gearscore and the class. Therefore, imo that might be enough even I have used to readable gear as well. That information tells the power level and what abilities can be expected.

Dygz

Ferryman wrote: »

Who cares about other players cosmetics especially if those are bought with really money... no-one.

I want to see the cosmetics people choose to wear. Probably more so than their horrifically mismatched BiS gear.

CROW3

Dygz wrote: »

Ferryman wrote: »

Who cares about other players cosmetics especially if those are bought with really money... no-one.

I want to see the cosmetics people choose to wear. Probably more so than their horrifically mismatched BiS gear.

Especially that giant ass BiS sandal...

ClintHardwood

Dygz wrote: »

Ferryman wrote: »

Who cares about other players cosmetics especially if those are bought with really money... no-one.

I want to see the cosmetics people choose to wear. Probably more so than their horrifically mismatched BiS gear.

Good thing the show cosmetics option can be toggleable. You get to see transmogs, those of us who differ can look at real gear. Win win.

Merek

The only reason I agree with the idea is because some of the cosmetics are horrid and I expect people to setup their cosmetics in ways I would find generally unappealing or annoying. Such as "funny" fluorescent armor to be as obnoxious as possible, etc. However, as people have paid for the right to look a certain way, as long as cosmetic customization/dyes aren't too bad, I'd let the inability to disable them slide.

BaSkA_9x2

I do hope that cosmetics will be turned off by default or at least the option will exist during strictly PvP events (castle sieges and node wars come to mind).

With that said, there's no chance they'll allow people to disable cosmetics/transmogs in the regular open world. And yes, having to "read" an icon/buff will hurt the PvP aspect of the game, even if just a bit. Trying to argument that it won't make the combat at least marginally worse is being naïve, in my opinion.

At the end of the day, I hope that Intrepid is able to find a solution to this concern and that it's good enough to become a non-issue, only a minimal inconvenience.

Ramirez

For people understand how this is important go to a New world GvG , against tanks and warriors with gandhalf skins, and mages , bows with heavy amor skins and you will see how that mess your focus, and in that case is only 50 vs 50....

People say the simbol near name tag is enough, never played an pvx mmorpg where in a gank or in zerg every sec count, so knowing your Enemy gear at the first glance makes all the difference

That option to hide skin in Albion was genius, like many other that aoc can take notes from that game

Noaani

bloodprophet wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

If you saw someone approaching you wearing full plate carrying a two handed sword both clearly recognizable what information would this give you in a game like Ashes where gear is agnostic. Anybody can use any gear makes the whole cosmetics argument moot as long as using the cosmic or transmog system means using plate cosmetics only on plate and cloth only on cloth.

What it would mean depends greatly on the games combat system.

If armor gave a flat damage reduction to physical damage, someone in plate armor would tell you that you shouldn't use smaller physical attacks - stick to bigger attacks, even if they are slower.

The two handed sword would tell me the attacks are slow, meaning I probably have time between swings to get my attacks in, if I manage to not get hit by his.

The thing with gear being agnostic though, is that each item type is still probably going to have inherent bonuses/effects to it. Daggers are likely going to have faster attacks, and two handed swords will likely be slower - I expect there to be an inherent effect on the weapons that translates this to abilities (it could be an outright boost/reduction to cast speed of abilities, or it could be that ability cast speed is a function of weapon speed - either way, I expect something along these lines).

There will almost definitely also be weapons that have inherent bonus effects to spells and to healing. Sure, you may be able to adjust stats, but inherent bonuses are, well, inherent.

The other thing that a person in plate armor with a two handed sword tells me is that they probably have average defense against magic - at best.

So, I would summarize that this two handed sword wielding, plate armor wearing person coming at me is either a melee character that is well defended against melee (probably someone that is planning on going after a rogue) but expects to deal out some damage (no shield), but is probably not a caster or healer. If they are a caster or healer, or if they are melee but expect to defend, I will then know that they are probably not going to do all that good of a job.

Or we could have it Ashes way, where that person is actually a bear on a unicycle, but just wearing a plate armor cosmetic.

Interesting your first thought is warrior with slow attacks and that it is not possible to be a cleric bard or summoner.
Could the battle mage make proper use of "inherent" gear abilities?
The whole point is trying to judge your opponent base strictly on the armor they are showing you
Lots of people transmog into starter gear while wearing top gear just to get an edge.

I did make the assumption based on combat system. If the combat system had bards gain a bonus from a two handed sword rather than other items, then that would factor in to the possibility. However, I would wager that they dont gain an inherent bonus from two handed sword at all. I made the assumption that it wasnt a summoner due to no mention of a summoned pet.

While this person could still potentially be a healer, bard or summoner in Ashes, if this is the case, the player is foregoing the inherent bonus that they could gain from a weapon better suited to their class. As such, the are probably going to be easier to kill than the average player of their class, you just need to factor I the minor alterations that their gear will cause (plate armor vs cloth and such).

I mean, if you are a healer and are using a two handed sword with bonuses to melee damage at the expense of a slower attack rate, rather than perhaps a mace or hammer that is aimed st being useful for healers, you are probably not going to be as hard to kill as someone that is geared up to be a healer.

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