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Show me what fun pvp looks like
Fantmx
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I consider myself pretty open minded and willing to see another persons point of view. I am also open to new challenges. So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.
That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.
I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.
That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.
I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.
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there are some decent PvP MMOs out there but when it comes down to Open World PvP MMOs.... they are plagued with P2W and RMT and I couldn't in good faith recommend those for you since I as a PVP player refuse to play those games
but I will try my best
so, when it comes if you want to get your feet wet, maybe starting with some arena 5v5 PvP - but also with the option for some "open world" pvp (in a specific open world map) I will recommend Guild Wars 2, this WvW open world PVP is actually really representative - but I must warn you, the combat takes some time to get used to, it is very "skill-based" and if you are not a good player, if you don't practice, you will have a very, very hard time - the good thing is, you can try the action camera mode as well to have a good feeling of AoC's hybrid combat
if you are looking for a Completely different combat system than AoC, but looking for a very, very similar experience (but way more extreme) I honestly recommend you try Mortal Online 2 to see how does local economy, a Big, Big world with no fast travel and no "hand-holding" feels like and the absolute extreme of the risk vs reward in a full loot game - I recommend joining their discord for a guild, there are RP and PVE guilds in that game believe it or not, its not all sweaty pvp nerds
Archeage, its the most obvious choice, even tho I will warn you - today's AA does not represent the original AA vision, even classic, the game is all based on meta-game and you Should 100% find a guild to help you out, balancing in AA is also terrible you will get 1shot depending on the classes so be advised that it does not truly represent AoC's PvP
these are my recommendations for you, unfortunately, there's not much out there, but if you want some other (bad) suggestions, there's BDO, Albion, Classic WoW, maybe give New World's PVP a shot... that's about it
I'd be willing to find a newer/ish private server on the older version to show what open world pvp and sieges look like, but, considering that L2 is one of the grindiest mmos out there, I'm not sure you'd be willing (or even have the time) to try that out.
I could also find a faster server, if you were interested in purely the pvp experience.
play l2. pick a chrnoicle between interlude or h5 (gracia is good too and less instances than h5)
avoid l2 essence, its not like aoc, its more like throne and liberty.
l2 classic is an option too but its kinda different. its like it is but it isnt
That's tough, i don't think that's something possible for a single game may it be combat mechanics wise or PvP concept wise.
In terms of combat mechanics and many more systems such as the naval combat, AA is probably the one that will give you the closest idea. AA Classic is a good idea over the AA official servers if you want a better idea of the overall game Steven experienced back then, but if only combat mechanic is the idea of what you want to experience the official is fine specially in the gear equalized sparring arenas(if there are even people playing those nowadays).
It is important to remember that ArcheAge is a Faction game without Karma/Corruption system, with zones that cycle between completely peaceful(making pvp impossible) and completely chaotic(where pvp is actually incentivised), with Sieges very different from the ones expected in AoC, and is a WAY more solo-friendly game than AoC is expected to be.
Now if you want to experience Lineage 2's proper Factionless OPEN WORLD PvP concepts such as the Karma System that is the basis of the Corruption system or sieges, nowadays that's a WAY harder thing to get...
If you need a recommendation for the closest possible experience to golden era Lineage 2 Steven experienced in the past through a original rates private server i can provide you with it.
Just be warned that the grind necessary in order to reach high levels and properly experience those pvp concepts, is probably unlike anything else you might've experienced till now, and if alone, you will definitely feel how non-solo friendly and Group Focused this game was.
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For open world pvp you could try Eve. Its a bit of a different animal and not sure it would entirely match up, WoW classic pvp servers are also a place to try, but those are the closest(ish) currently. The issue is that both tend to be a bit of a gank fest and Eve has a massive learning curve if you hope to survive an encounter. These really isn't a fantastic example.
That's where some of the debate comes from to be honest. No one really knows how this will pan out because there is nowhere to really test it.
That's pretty much makes us the modern day space monkeys once A2 hits.
As mention earlier PvP MMO are in dark times atm practiacly none exist and those that were coming out to be looking to be a good pvp game, the pvE player base gets it changed (new world for example) was suppose to be heavily pvp orinated but then got gutted when people cried about to much pvp happening so they did a 180 and made it pve in last couple months before launch.
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Quoted for truth. Albion PvP has a low skill entry point and an absolutely towering skill cieling. A top tier player can kill a tean of three or more equally geared players depending on the environment simply by making good decisions and quick thinking. Kinda crazy to think about.
I've enjoyed reading through this thread, though!
it is an awesome time for mmorpg with good pvp features! and most importantly no p2w. people are craving it. this desire has existed for years
A lot of fun pvp for me is about the story behind it, the encounters you have with people, the politics, the wars that happen. Those are the types of things that really make the experience. Without having something like that you are missing that soul of pvp.
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So what you choose to play I'd find a good server and good group of people to play with so you will be able to more so experience it and see how other people are.
mortal 2 is soo boring tho and the combat isnt that great. but thats subjective i guess
Yea, I think MO2 is better for an overall experience than for the combat system specifically if you want to feel what would the worst-case scenario of a punishing risk vs reward pvp game looks like, there's no better option
a game were reputation matters, travel distances are huge, playing solo is... bad, a game where you will still find casuals, crafters, roleplayers but also griefers and PKers, the good and bad side of PvP, MO2 has it all - I think it's a good experience for AoC, but ofc, it's an extreme example
and as you said, combat kind of sucks, and its definitely underwhelming when you first get into and have no idea what to do
but the issue is the gameplay loop, its boringgg
i smell a motivational podcast in your future.
then they invented flags that you could teleport to... so one guy, in stealth, moved to the raid zone and planted a flag. Ruined everything... in the name of progress.
i also enjoy battlegrounds type pvp. 5v5 or 8 v 8 small maps with objectives. call of duty MMO style play.
https://www.mortalonline2.com/roadmap/
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early on in darkfall release literaly WW1 started between 2 faction thats engulfed 90% of the playerbase in someway till one faction was destroyed rip Hyperium.
the game flaw was it neglected PvE and was a little too high skill cap for PvP but other than that was probaly the best game ive played in regards to pvp by a long shot in the last 20 years
Darkfall is also very similiar to AoC with there system but very crude in comparison imo but was a 2009 release indy game or something that flew under most people radars outside of the pvp crowd
a few posts mention MO2 which i think is a slightly worst version than darkfall but somewhat similiar in thing from eachother MO2 just got terribly clunky combat i cant stand
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