PvP sucks, and they are making it worse!

I thought Ashes of Creation was supposed to be a PvP-focused game, but it feels like the corruption system is actively punishing anyone who engages in open-world PvP. The added slow effect on corruption just adds another layer to an already harsh penalty system, making it even less appealing to participate. I get that corruption is meant to balance PvP and prevent griefing, but as it stands, it feels like the game is leaning too hard on penalizing PvP rather than encouraging it.

During the recent bug where corruption wasn’t triggering, PvP was actually fun and spontaneous, just like the open-world PvP experience was supposed to be. Without the risk of losing gear or being slowed, people were more willing to engage, leading to some of the best PvP moments I’ve had in the game so far. Now that corruption’s back—and harsher than ever—it feels like I’m getting punished for wanting to PvP.

There’s also no incentive to even consider corruption worth the risk: no unique rewards, no advantages, nothing but the feeling of trying to overcome the system’s many debuffs. And without any dedicated PvP content like battlegrounds, the open-world PvP experience feels like it’s the only place to get that action. Wasn’t this game supposed to be about risking it all in PvP? Right now, it feels more like I’m being discouraged from PvP altogether.

The system feels like it’s pushing us towards some sort of ‘PvE with mild PvP on the side’ experience, not the high-stakes PvP game many of us expected. If I wanted to avoid open-world PvP, I’d play a game designed for that; I’m here for the thrill, not for a laundry list of debuffs and gear loss. Please, let us play without making us feel like PvP is a trap!

I realize the importance of potato farming, and people doing gathering etc etc, but you have to find a balance between the two if you're out of idea just do war/crisis/peace zones like archeage and call it a day. (idk im not game designed but i know the pvp is severely being neglected)

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

TehGoat

Does anyone know about how many pk's before you can really start to feel the effects of corruption?

Slipree

Friss wrote: »

I thought Ashes of Creation was supposed to be a PvP-focused game, but it feels like the corruption system is actively punishing anyone who engages in open-world PvP. The added slow effect on corruption just adds another layer to an already harsh penalty system, making it even less appealing to participate. I get that corruption is meant to balance PvP and prevent griefing, but as it stands, it feels like the game is leaning too hard on penalizing PvP rather than encouraging it.

During the recent bug where corruption wasn’t triggering, PvP was actually fun and spontaneous, just like the open-world PvP experience was supposed to be. Without the risk of losing gear or being slowed, people were more willing to engage, leading to some of the best PvP moments I’ve had in the game so far. Now that corruption’s back—and harsher than ever—it feels like I’m getting punished for wanting to PvP.

There’s also no incentive to even consider corruption worth the risk: no unique rewards, no advantages, nothing but the feeling of trying to overcome the system’s many debuffs. And without any dedicated PvP content like battlegrounds, the open-world PvP experience feels like it’s the only place to get that action. Wasn’t this game supposed to be about risking it all in PvP? Right now, it feels more like I’m being discouraged from PvP altogether.

The system feels like it’s pushing us towards some sort of ‘PvE with mild PvP on the side’ experience, not the high-stakes PvP game many of us expected. If I wanted to avoid open-world PvP, I’d play a game designed for that; I’m here for the thrill, not for a laundry list of debuffs and gear loss. Please, let us play without making us feel like PvP is a trap!

I realize the importance of potato farming, and people doing gathering etc etc, but you have to find a balance between the two if you're out of idea just do war/crisis/peace zones like archeage and call it a day. (idk im not game designed but i know the pvp is severely being neglected)

i have been saying this since i heard about the corruption system. It wont even have its intended effect, as there are always work arounds to griefing people. I bought alpha 2 because i heard this was a pvp focused game, then i learned about that. then, even worse, i came on the forums and see endless suggestions from pve players on how to make it even worse.

Slipree

Blip wrote: »

Cearbeers win again and Ashes is turning away from core pillars already.

With so harsh penalty for PvP we cant contest grinding spots, it removes risk it makes it less exciting to do anything.

Basicly same path that so many other MMO has taken.

i wish it was just mmos, or even games in general. It is a lowest common denominator issue. The majority of people are potatoes at most things, so they dumb everything down so it is, "fun"c or, possible for them. Nevermind that it removes the fun from everyone else.

Garrtok

Blip wrote: »

Cearbeers win again and Ashes is turning away from core pillars already.

With so harsh penalty for PvP we cant contest grinding spots, it removes risk it makes it less exciting to do anything.

Basicly same path that so many other MMO has taken.

It's literally right now what was always intended. You don't want to be corrupt, that was always the intention

Dolyem

TehGoat wrote: »

Does anyone know about how many pk's before you can really start to feel the effects of corruption?

In alpha 2? 1 kill is big debuffs and guaranteed gear drops on death

teddington

(Full) PvP without griefing never worked and will never work outside some wet dreams. Either deal with it (and the consequeneces regarding player base), or kill the idea, simple as that.

But funny that this idea is still around after nearly 3 decades of online games.

SinCigana

I don’t understand why people are outraged about pvp in the field. Now we are all in the initial locks. Which are designed so that the player can refuse pvp. and if you kill him you will be punished.

BUT in zones 30+ open pvp. They call it open pvp zones. Where it doesn’t matter whether you want it or not. If you are in this zone you must fight with other players.

If you want to attack everyone, go to this area. I am sure that level 22+ players will be happy to fight with you.

mainedutch

SinCigana wrote: »

I don’t understand why people are outraged about pvp in the field. Now we are all in the initial locks. Which are designed so that the player can refuse pvp. and if you kill him you will be punished.

BUT in zones 30+ open pvp. They call it open pvp zones. Where it doesn’t matter whether you want it or not. If you are in this zone you must fight with other players.

If you want to attack everyone, go to this area. I am sure that level 22+ players will be happy to fight with you.

People don't like to read the game and are taking this barebones early alpha at face value.

All those guys crying about not being able to kill anyone they see are the same guys who didn't read there are plenty of common zones/events that will automatically flag everyone for PvP.

caldrin

I totally understand that they want to try and stop griefing.. but some of the penalties are a bit to harsh..
But then again we don't really have the open pvp areas yet so will have to see how that works out.

I just hope they don't go down the road that Amazon went down with New world and strip the game of any decent meaningful pvp..

Dolyem

caldrin wrote: »

I totally understand that they want to try and stop griefing.. but some of the penalties are a bit to harsh..
But then again we don't really have the open pvp areas yet so will have to see how that works out.

I just hope they don't go down the road that Amazon went down with New world and strip the game of any decent meaningful pvp..

This. Any Opt-in PvP system, even a faux one, is just crap design for a PvP or PvX MMO

mainedutch

caldrin wrote: »

I totally understand that they want to try and stop griefing.. but some of the penalties are a bit to harsh..
But then again we don't really have the open pvp areas yet so will have to see how that works out.

I just hope they don't go down the road that Amazon went down with New world and strip the game of any decent meaningful pvp..

Dolyem wrote: »

caldrin wrote: »

I totally understand that they want to try and stop griefing.. but some of the penalties are a bit to harsh..
But then again we don't really have the open pvp areas yet so will have to see how that works out.

I just hope they don't go down the road that Amazon went down with New world and strip the game of any decent meaningful pvp..

This. Any Opt-in PvP system, even a faux one, is just crap design for a PvP or PvX MMO

I agree with both of you immensely.

This game is intended to be PvX, so you must allow PvP to happen open world naturally. Corruption is just stopping it all together (it's intentionally overturned right now, I know).

And no, the answers not to get rid of corruption, it just needs less punishment and some other stuff around it.

Zapatos80

Big parts of the world, including the whole ocean, will be lawless FFA PVP zones. Even in the rest of the world, you can still kill anyone you want. See someone gather some rare ressource? You can gank them and loot some of it. But there's heavy consequences to killing innocents, as it should be. Even now though, you can flag up purple and fight whoever decides to attack you though with no penalty.

Its_Me

If you are not running around always flagged up, you have little room to complain that pvp is not happening frequent enough.

AchillesGaming

Friss wrote: »

I thought Ashes of Creation was supposed to be a PvP-focused game, but it feels like the corruption system is actively punishing anyone who engages in open-world PvP. The added slow effect on corruption just adds another layer to an already harsh penalty system, making it even less appealing to participate. I get that corruption is meant to balance PvP and prevent griefing, but as it stands, it feels like the game is leaning too hard on penalizing PvP rather than encouraging it.

During the recent bug where corruption wasn’t triggering, PvP was actually fun and spontaneous, just like the open-world PvP experience was supposed to be. Without the risk of losing gear or being slowed, people were more willing to engage, leading to some of the best PvP moments I’ve had in the game so far. Now that corruption’s back—and harsher than ever—it feels like I’m getting punished for wanting to PvP.

There’s also no incentive to even consider corruption worth the risk: no unique rewards, no advantages, nothing but the feeling of trying to overcome the system’s many debuffs. And without any dedicated PvP content like battlegrounds, the open-world PvP experience feels like it’s the only place to get that action. Wasn’t this game supposed to be about risking it all in PvP? Right now, it feels more like I’m being discouraged from PvP altogether.

The system feels like it’s pushing us towards some sort of ‘PvE with mild PvP on the side’ experience, not the high-stakes PvP game many of us expected. If I wanted to avoid open-world PvP, I’d play a game designed for that; I’m here for the thrill, not for a laundry list of debuffs and gear loss. Please, let us play without making us feel like PvP is a trap!

I realize the importance of potato farming, and people doing gathering etc etc, but you have to find a balance between the two if you're out of idea just do war/crisis/peace zones like archeage and call it a day. (idk im not game designed but i know the pvp is severely being neglected)

I completely hear what you are saying and I hope that they really dial it in and figure something out. PVP is what captures a huge demographic. The PvErs are the Die hards, and I feel like probably are the minority. The PvPers are fickle and will stay if there is good pvp, but if there is bad pvp, they will leave.

mainedutch

Zapatos80 wrote: »

Big parts of the world, including the whole ocean, will be lawless FFA PVP zones. Even in the rest of the world, you can still kill anyone you want. See someone gather some rare ressource? You can gank them and loot some of it. But there's heavy consequences to killing innocents, as it should be. Even now though, you can flag up purple and fight whoever decides to attack you though with no penalty.

This actually isn't totally true. I was mistaken about this at one point too, and I recently made a thread on the subject.

Lawless zones will not be in the finished game according to the AoC Wiki. They're only for Alpha 2 testing purposes and will eventually turn in to naval zones.

I basically said that lawless zones should stay in the game and have attractions to draw players in and give PvPers a place to fight without severe punishment.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/63374/lawless-zones-need-to-be-a-permanent-feature#latest

Dolyem

Its_Me wrote: »

If you are not running around always flagged up, you have little room to complain that pvp is not happening frequent enough.

"If you don't put yourself at an obvious disadvantage you can't complain"

Nah, as is I am using corruption as a shield to opt out of ever being engaged. And on the rare occasion that I do. I have friends nearby to kill and collect exponentially more than I lost when they go red. Its a lame way to play, but you cheese the system to get the advantage. That being said, it hurts general open world PvP engagements. If it wasnt a death sentence for players to go corrupt, I wouldnt be as inclined to utilize it as a shield and actually fight back.

Kalnazzar

They do need to find a way to let people fight for resources end of story it’s a resource heavy conflict that is hugely tied to the game progression, fighting after like level 10 should not trigger corruption. So like killing a player for coming into your farming spot is completely acceptable unless the player is like level 6 or below. This is what player driven conflict is fight for resources, territory and money. It’s human nature/history. Sadly till they figure out how to do this to stop low level griffing we will have this extremely hard penalty.

Its_Me

Dolyem wrote: »

"If you don't put yourself at an obvious disadvantage you can't complain"

You mean like the disadvantage that the pve gatherer without gear that does not like nor ever engage in pvp has that you are complaining you cannot roll up on and force into pvp without incurring a penalty?

As previously mentioned, a lot of people on Resna run around flagged during test so stop complaining about PVP not happening and pull up those big boy/girl panties and flag up if you want pvp.

For someone stating they are a hardcore PVPr, it sounds more like you want to handpick your battles where you always have the advantage rather than staying flagged like the true hardcores so perhaps think about changing that title to you being a 'select my own battle' PVPr or pseudo-hardcore PVPr? 😉

At first, I was opposed to any opt out mechanic or penalty for pvp but upon experiencing the first three weekends of test, I see how Steven's corruption system can prevent griefing and large guilds always holding the best resource spots simply due to numbers.

Miller5862

Lark Wyll wrote: »

I don't understand why a movement speed penalty should be applied to corrupted players.

there shouldnt be one. period and just having found out people were banned for pvping asmon i dont see this game being worth a dang for pvp players.

mainedutch

Miller5862 wrote: »

Lark Wyll wrote: »

I don't understand why a movement speed penalty should be applied to corrupted players.

there shouldnt be one. period and just having found out people were banned for pvping asmon i dont see this game being worth a dang for pvp players.

They weren't PvPing Asmon they we're griefing the fuck out of him. I don't even like the guy but at least I'm smart enough to understand the difference between preventing someone playing the game and PvPing them.

It's wild some people can even have this take.

Child Item