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Andi

This is supposedly a female.

Where are her hips?

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Vhaeyne

@Sathrago

These images really really make me wish I liked the game play in EQ. There is something so classic high fantasy about it.

I love how much they did with so little tech.

GreatPhilisopher

the direction they are goin for is typical western ugly the rainbows been making everything western go to lately , how in the world is the elfs the canonically most beautiful race in the world looks the ugliest . like at one point they actually made the pyrai look really cool and beautiful like how an elf is supposed to be

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. a few months later they showed the models and this is the travesty they turned it into

there is literally 0 reason to do that other than ..well we all know the reason dont we

Vhaeyne

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

a few months later they showed the models and this is the travesty they turned it into

Travesty is the right word here.

I don't enjoy being negative. I especially don't enjoy being negative about anything related to Ashes.

But you are pointing out a major down grade.

We can speculate conspiracy theory about why this happened until the end of time. None of that matters. I doubt they would come out and tell us why this happened.

There is clearly some extremely talented artists at intrepid. I would rather see them push the boundary's on beauty instead of ugly.

Andi

What are those feet, Sasquatch?

I love this game, it's damn fun to play, but... only at max zoom level. I really don't wanna look at anyone zoomed in.

Andi

Here are 2 pictures someone posted on Discord... for those who never spent much (or any) time in the character creator.

THIS is what we're dealing with here.
Would you spend money for fashion on the cash shop for... this?

Sathrago

Andi wrote: »

Here are 2 pictures someone posted on Discord... for those who never spent much (or any) time in the character creator.

THIS is what we're dealing with here.
Would you spend money for fashion on the cash shop for... this?

Brood-sister? Is that you?

Caeryl

Andi wrote: »

Here are 2 pictures someone posted on Discord... for those who never spent much (or any) time in the character creator.

THIS is what we're dealing with here.
Would you spend money for fashion on the cash shop for... this?

Well duh, when they picked to max out the 'snarl' slider and set the cheek fullness to zero, they're gonna get some real crunchy looking result.

It's absolutely possible to make the characters look nice in character creator, the issue is that they don't save correctly when actually loaded in.

Edit: Also let's be honest, some people really do just suck at utilizing the character creator sculpt options

Caeryl

You can make a monstrosity Elvis(h) impersonation or you can make a completely normal woman

Entirely depends on how much effort you put into it

Vhaeyne

Caeryl wrote: »

Entirely depends on how much effort you put into it

I initially thought this myself.

There are two problems I need to point out.

1: The game is doing something to make your character in game not look like what you have made in the character creator. I have bug reported this. I have also tried every possible graphics settings to try and detail the bug. The malnutrition exists on every setting.

2: If everyone has to put work into making their character look good. It is going to be an ugly world. It should be effort to make the character ugly.

I may delete one of my characters and get pictures of what I am talking about this weekend if I have some down time.

GreatPhilisopher

Caeryl wrote: »

You can make a monstrosity Elvis(h) impersonation or you can make a completely normal woman

Entirely depends on how much effort you put into it

i was the one who made the second picture, took me an hour n half or so just to get this mid looking character , its the best i was able to make in the whole CC and it still look masculine with a guy jawline even tho i tried my absolute best to turn it into a female and thats the elves , the humans look like malnourished drug addicts no matter what and the vek are just ugly but thats just the vek i guess

then they all look way worse in game so lol

bloodprophet

Interesting thread.

This incomplete system is incomplete and I don't understand.

Vhaeyne

bloodprophet wrote: »

Interesting thread.

This incomplete system is incomplete and I don't understand.

Feedback is important. Even if the system is incomplete.

bloodprophet

Vhaeyne wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Interesting thread.

This incomplete system is incomplete and I don't understand.

Feedback is important. Even if the system is incomplete.

Agreed. It just seems like some are less interested in critiquing the art style and heavily focused on this incomplete system makes it look wrong. /Shrug.

The art style is completely subjective. I like it some don't.
I haven't engaged much with this system since the first weekend. I saw it was incomplete. I hit random cause it has no bearing at this time. Create a name and log in.

As a base system test there is room to improve. See people talking about the presets not staying. As for the graphical errors I bet when they add the real system it will be fixed.

Azherae

Mmk, whoever's working on Character Creator right now, in case you need to hear this since we haven't been pushing too much ingame lately since it 'isn't time for us yet'...

My group members are super grateful for the current Empyrean presets, I think we 'each got one', which makes it really easy to just jump in and test stuff and not worry about the character creator load function.

JustVine decided not to 'waste your time' with feedback on it and just 'checks if it is working better' for half hour or so each testing-time, but the feedback from us will come when it's time for that.

Hoping you're getting things closer to what was shown back then, looking forward to it.

GreatPhilisopher

bloodprophet wrote: »

Interesting thread.

This incomplete system is incomplete and I don't understand.

its not about an incomplete system being incomplete , its about the direction they are going with the character looks and armors .

also CC being incomplete is fine whats not fine is even as an incomplete system you'd think the options and presets in it would at least be good looking but no its just ugly and uglier , so why wasnt the system incomplete but have good looking characters as the options available instead , that just means that this is the direction and look they want their characters to have from the start otherwise we'd of had decent lookin ones but we dont, which is straight up horrendous

Andi

I can forgive bugs of any kind. Wear your helmet under your hair? Cool, it's Alpha. Char creator settings are discarded on logging in for the first time? Alpha.

But then, what the characters look like has nothing to do with this being an Alpha. The char creator might be in Alpha, but the models are not. What I've heard in official livestreams was more along the lines of "we'll work a bit on the hair".

The design of the races seemed pretty much finished to me - and if that's the case, Intrepid waste an opportunity to sell cosmetics. They also put off a lot of potential players who just don't want to play something hideous.

Leiloni

Caeryl wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Remember when games were good...

That's hideous. Ew

It looks so much better than the current character models and I'm a woman saying that. I really do believe/hope what we have is a work in progress, but the last models we saw were nothing like the beautiful concept are they showed us, so I'm really hoping they can make something closer to concept art.

Leiloni

Caeryl wrote: »

Carlisle wrote: »

Yeah, They look terrible, male and female. the armors are also not very pretty at the moment, they need make more clear the difference between female and male armor set

No, they really don't. Racial differences sure, because that's actually a significant change to the body types in some cases, but there's no reason to make drastic differences in armor between the male and female character models of the same race.

Speak for yourself. I want my female character to look pretty. I want armor made for her, not for you. In real life our clothes are made differently and designed differently because our bodies are different and things fit different. And on top of that I just want to look pretty damn it. I don't think asking for armor that's more fashionable and pretty is too much to ask.

Vhaeyne

@bloodprophet

I would like to believe both critique and feedback are valid on the general discussion forms.

I don't think Ashes is going to be made worse by some valid criticism.

The good news is Steven has demonstrated remarkable resilience when it comes to his vision for Ashes.

All of the feedback in the world has not changed the name for tank.

If the ugly face are intended they will stay, if they are open to change they may change.

At this point I am too invested to not put both my feedback and opinion out there.

Leiloni

Caeryl wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Fashion is endgame, and it's the probably biggest source of income by far after release (Heck, put a cosmetics shop in before release, just save the unlocked ones to my account).

The problem is that right now, it doesn't even matter what cosmetics they put in, because the character models are so fugly, nothing you could put on them would make them more tolerable.

This is so important to really focus in on now more than ever.

Think about the failure of Concord, Starfield and Veilguard.

Then think about the success of Baldur's Gate Three, Eldin Ring and FFXVI.

The art direction on the current faces is that of a fail game. I want better for Ashes.

Right now the only cosmetic I am interested in is a paper bag for a helm. I don't know how much money they can make selling cosmetics that make you not want to see the character, but I imagine making good looking characters will be more profitable.

Shitty writing and lackluster gameplay killed those games

Ashes should work exactly like BG3 does for cosmetics, ie armor should be the same on both sexes. Skimpy for both or realistic for both. None of this 'women get the skimpy version' shit

That's exactly what we're asking for.
Make attractive char models to begin with, so you'd want to put cosmetics on them.

Make outfits in various forms for various tastes: heavily armoured or seductive, any kind.

Make outfits equally attractive for both sexes.

The more character customization you allow, the more char expression is possible.

This will attract female players (definitely not how that works for getting women to play a videogame, it just has to be good and the community not rancid) and roleplayers alike, and you want those, too.

Make cosmetics a steady stream of income. FFXIV has a shop and a sub, and so does WOW.

Some people in here are definitely asking for women to get the skimpy version, given the near nudity on that cartoon looking elf that got posted. Solid 'no thanks' to that asian mmo nonsense.

At least what you posted in this particular comment I'm generally in agreement with, though the models are already workable into a good looking character *IF the character creator actually saved sculpts instead of always reverting to whatever preset was selected. I gave it three tries and it always reverted to the same gaunt looking elf face when the character spawned. It'll save tattoo data though for whatever reason (which are also not all properly leveled on their default angle).

It's a barebones system not fully functional and gear has such little variety that it automatically makes every character look more dull because you've seen ten thousand people in riverstalker armor already in the exact same colors. Just adding more hairstyles and face presets and ffs some damn gear dyes. Anything for more visual variety in the interim.

And fixing the hair rendering too, that looks like ass. Probably boned on that front due to Unreal though, unfortunately.

I happen to love Asian MMO's and a lot of them have great looking character models as well as armor. But since I've had this argument before I'm just going to redirect you to this post with some nice examples from Aion. They had gorgeous armor that covered enough while still being fashionable.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/336597#Comment_336597

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