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Raid Parsers
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It doesn't, however the whole concept of a higher dps means one build is better then another that parsers are apart of/lead to is often to being top notch in games that are built around more then dps and damage adsorption.. games where tactics apply where cc and ec (environment control) have meaning, building for the highest dps can actually cause you more problems. Which kinda brings me to my other point of the use and "need" of parsers sprang from a failure in game design
Don't know if you noticed but mycroft was posting in that thread
Also, I haven't played WoW since vanilla, but nice try.
This is somewhat ironic, considering that my latest MMORPG was Wildstar. Where CCs mattered in a significant number of raid fights, tactics played a big role as only two minibosses could be considered tank and spank, and parsers were an important tool for personal and group improvement. Its almost like players had different builds that they used for different fights, and dps number comparisons were according to each encounter.
However if there will be no parsers to help check who joined the raids to get carried and thus is costing a lots of people their time and resources (equals money), then some other systems will just have to be implemented for raid invites.
I already see "come duel me in arena, and If you beat few of our test warriors you get raid invite", and similar human made performance tests.
But hey, any way it goes down.
I would also love to stress that many players are min maxers, and love to test them selves, push their builds and rotations to get better numbers. These players need a parser to be able to check how much DPS they are pushing out.
Lack of in game parser will just force those players to seek 3rd party tools and extensions. Some of those tools may be legit, many may not.
Not implementing any in game parser, and forcibly blocking some of the legit 3rd party parsers (like ACT), will just push players in reaching for other tools out there, which may compromise the safety of many players. (I know, many here will now say, hey if you care about your safety, don't risk trying out new tools, but the fact of reality is, many players still will...)
I just hope Intrepid will consider this.
Again, the best compromise is to make PARSING private and optional. This way everyone can chose for himself if he wants to use it or no.
And whoever doesn't want to fairly compromise, and wants to push his own philosophy and play style on everyone else.... well he should look hard in the mirror.
It's funny how exactly those people call others elitists, and use other nice adjectives to describe them, while THEY THEMSELVES are the ones wishing to PUSH their own mentality and play style on EVERYONE else. No compromise, no optional and private parsers, nothing. It should be how they wish, and everyone should do it like that.
Yeah, so just keep talking, I think I'm done here.
No PvE servers - made a lot of PvE players mad, they argued for them and Ashes is still saying no.
No fast travel - made a lot of players mad (casuals more than hardcore maybe?), they too argued for them and Ashes is still saying no.
Ashes will, in the end, do what they wish. @Gothix brings up a good point "Again, the best compromise is to make PARSING private and optional. This way everyone can chose for himself if he wants to use it or no." But to me private means others can not see, and I believe by optional Gothix is suggesting we can share with others.
I don't see that as a necessity, but @mycroft brings up another good point, it's because that's not my play style.
@ "ninja shadow" it's kinda a pain I know, wonder if I can change it to drop the space @Isende
@mycroft I get the feeling neither one of us is really going to change the others opinions on this, and in the end I don't believe that any amount of argument from us is bing to change the minds of the devs
I don't know what no parsers is important for, except furthering a misconception about human nature. Elitist jerks will still find a way to be elitist jerks, not including a parser so they can't use it to discriminate is cutting off the nose to spite the face.
This game will be successful because it knows what it wants to be, not because it got turned into a WoW ripoff by Ex-WoW players shovelling WoW features down it's throat.
No modding.
No parsing.
No "Raid" lingo.
What at are the downsides for you if other people use parsers? How will that impact your gameplay.
For me it would be a lot more difficult to raid because there's gonna be this one guy who just doesn't give a damn about his effectiveness and fails the raid for the rest of the group. Honestly, it is why I stopped playing dungeons and raids all together in gw2. I got sick of doing my best and then fail because someone else doesn't want to.
with the parsers I'll be able to join a likeminded group and do content with them.
If you don't want to min max I'm not blaming you or hating you. It's just not your play style. However, don't ruin it for those that actually do want to progress and join a likeminded group yourself. That way parsers won't have an impact on you.
DPS parsers are not required to hunt around for a guild that says hardcore and join.
These metrics are there to isolate the best and discard all else. Their use necessitates killing off any kind of variety because anything but the best is redundant. All you end up with is FoTM builds, gear and playstyles and a game full of min maxers will use nothing else.
This mentality is not only applied to gear...but then carried over to other players. The players are not here for you to cherry pick and discard like every other possession in your life.
Like guns, DPS meters are not the problem. Its the people that use them to discard players and encouraging that mentality. Its an exclusion device and MMOs are not about exclusion. Plenty of multiplayer games for that.
By not allowing parsers you will just shoot yourself in the foot, because what are you trying to accomplish: trying to join a group of people you dont mesh with, who would look down on you if they knew your gear is worse and consider you a leech? Your selfrespect shouldn't allow that and if you aren't an elitist why bother what other people do?
This is more than obvious for anyone with half the brain.
Otherwise, if they really wished join raids with likeminded people that do not care about parsers at all, then the existance of parsers wouldn't bother them at all, since their raids would opt to not use them.
This is very much clear, but those people are just like that, and they will keep posting here and complaining, and will ofc say lies about their reasons, as expected.
The only fair compromise, and the MIDDLE GROUND is to include parsers as OPTIONAL.
The side extremes, are (A) not to include them at all, or (B) to set them as mandatory, and not able to be toggled off.
(A) Mandatory parsers - everyone sees everyones performance - can't be toggled off!
(B) OPTIONAL parsing - toggle that you can set to allow (or not) your own visibility in parser
(C) No parsers at all, for anyone
It's obvious what is middle ground. People that push for (C) are just an obvious carry wannabes / leecher wannabes.
I vote for middle ground (B) which is optional parsing for those that want.
You are however voting for (C) no parsing for anyone, not even optional, so please. I know who you are. We all know.
I did not say "WE will use TOS breaking tools", I just pointed out that part of players might reach out for 3rd party tools that may compromise their security, as concern.
Also my "blowups" and "incessant shouting"... lol, yeah I'm pulling my hear out here... just because of you lol.
Please stop posting, because if you only know how to post lies, and exaggerated things completely modified away from truth and taken out of perspective, then noone wants to hear you.
(A) mandatory parsers - can't be toggled OFF by anyone
(B) OPTIONAL parsers - who wants them can use them (or not)
(C) no parsers at all for anyone
Middle ground is obvious, but you are a guy that doesn't want middle ground, you just want what fits to you, and you want to push it on everyone.
I never liked people like you, noone likes people like you. Think about it.
I on the other hand could easily vote for (A), but I don't because I'm better person than you, and I vote for middle ground, a fair compromise.
When you realize that, you might become a better man. Maybe.
Or posts memes as arguments.
Gee I wonder why people so many people are against parsers.
Or we can stop being ridiculous and violently against anything WoW, and take things on their own merits. "WoW did it" is a terrible reason to not include something, especially something like parsers that were around before WoW.
By the way, when I was playing WoW, the only parsers were from third party addons. I don't know if they've added an official, baked in one since, but, according to my experience, your anti-WoW stance shouldn't cover parsers.
I don't know why its chuckle-inducing. Historically, this is what happens. See FF14.
The workarounds for not having a parser can increase the effort required by an order of magnitude. So if you want to progress and better yourself, why are you against the tool that will best help you?
This is Ashes of Creation, not shitty WoW. There aren't going to be "Raids" for you to snear down on others with anyway. It's a PvP game, so what if someone else clicks faster or slower than You? Do you really need to see that to stroke your own ego?
The reason I am against parsers is because I don't want to hear your childish bragging "Look how much dps I did, I am so much better than you" just because I was having a chill out relax day and wanted to play for fun instead of stressing over trying to keep up with everyone.