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Raid Parsers
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We just have different experiences, apparently. I'm just sick of that side of MMOs. Like the devs I think they do more harm than good.
And I mean really LOL... I don't even know how to respond to this... and then you ask why we even stop discussing anything with you...
Because one can't argue against "arguments" ridden of any sense and logic, that are completely false...
Now let me educate you. Gear and stats are base, that base multiplies with your ability to theory craft and find best rotations for various situations and apply them (this is what PARSER is for combined with combat experimentation), then this all is multiplied by you being able to do boss mechanics and not stand in fire, or any other aoe for that matter etc.
This ALL together equals SKILL, that works in combination with your GEAR to produce your EFFECTIVENESS.
Skilled and smart player knows that all that i mentioned in EFFECTIVENESS formula is important, and whoever thinks any of the factors I mentioned are not important is not a very smart player, and progression groups do well to exclude that player.
(Yeah, I completely expect you will respond to me with something completely ridden of logic and sense. I guess it will have sense in your mind though).
So have a nice day there.
All a dps meter does is check if you can somewhat do your rotation and have good gear.. a dps meter don't take into account if you've done the mechanics, or had to pick up slack from other players that blindly stare at the dps meter, than focusing on the mechanics and gameplay. You can still be a good player but end up doing lower than normal dps.
A person like me?? Do please tell me what kind of person I am, very curious why you think it's fine to start attacking a person, just because I've had a different experience than you apparently and don't think like you do.
I'm happy the devs feel similar to what I do and are against dps meters as addons.
You clearly don't know what wow or dps meters is about yet you're here acting like you do know. I've never seen anyone in a normal, heroic or mythic dungeons act the way you described. No one cares as long as you aren't afk or aren't in their progression group.
You probably tried to join a progression group without doing your best. That's why they act like that to you.
Anyway, dps meters in wow show a lot more than just dps. But you wouldn't know.
2. you said dps meter checks if you can manage to stand still and press your rotation, which is completely false because usually if you stand still you will die in aoe, if you don't follow phases you will also usually die, and then you will be very low on DPS meter, same will happen if you pull agro and die, so no, DPS meter does not check if you can stand still and do rotation... also your rotation can be BAD and you will also be low on dps meter...
...so what DPS meter really checks if you can do GOOD rotation while also moving as you should and keeping yourself alive
3. well... a person that (in that message) generalized wider player group that uses dps meters (both good and bad people) and placed them in same basket calling them dps epeeners...
...and also someone that votes to deprive part of players of what they would enjoy having (parser) just because you don't want it, and you wouldn't even agree that it be optional so who wish to use it can, and who chooses not to doesn't have to (which for example I vote for, for everyone to have his choice)
I hope I answered your questions satisfactory.
Also I am not bashing at players, I am simply pointing out what people do while commenting here, and I've been quite accurate so far (imho). While also avoiding direct insults that would violate ToS.
2. Not always true, some fights will let you stand still and survive if someone picks up your slack. Xavius is a recent example from WoW (Only Mythic raids are slightly different, but i don't pug that). A dps meter don't always reflect/show the whole picture. And sadly most of the times people abuse them.
3. I never put people in the same basket and if it sounded like that then that was not my intent. All I did was commenting that I have seen people abuse a dps meter in dungeons and raids, and that I don't like it. I also said a dps meter don't tell/show the whole story, nor can it be used to 100% say if a player is bad or good by itself. I also said that I agree with intrepids stand, that a dps meter can cause more harm than good and I've come to that conclusion based on past experiences.
Most of the toxic/bashing things come from the dps part of parsers. That's why i said dps meters. I wasn't talking about addons like details (for wow) that show useful things.
Scroll up and you'll see who I answered. He/she mentioned dps meters, and that the type of behaviour that was discussed rarely happens. I've had a different experience and wanted to share why maybe people don't like those type of parsers. And I think dps meters are part of the topic since they usually come with parsers. I don't like them because they are often abused, I don't mind some of the others.
If you don't want a parser don't join guilds or groups that require one.
If you want a parser then don't join guilds or parties that don't use one.
problem solved everyone is happy.
PS!!!!!
even better solution is to add an in the game parser that is only available to guild groups. then randoms won't get trashed on and elitist guilds can still be elitist. also the more add-on like this they implement into the base game the more control they will have over them to stop toxic things like "Optimizer" "ACT" "AskMrRobot" from popping up illegally in the game.
It should just be an option, for anyone. You want to use it? Great, here it is. You don't want to use it? Great, then don't toggle it on.
here is what i enjoy most about parsing programs. say there is a class combo/skills set that is supposedly weak....what i like doing is taking that combo and skills set and tweaking and crunching it till it works....then i'll move on to somethin else....i could literally do that all day, every single day. hmm just hit me, i'd make a fantastic game tester. to bad no one has in house testing anymore and just sells early access so the players can PAY the studio to TEST their game lol. or in most cases find all the exploits possible, not report them and take advantage of them when game launches.....what a bunch of trash the gaming community has become..../shakes head in disappointment.
AoC shouldn't need a parser, raids are not the focus of this game and in pvp play would be an unfair advantage. Fairness is very important in pvp play, because if the players think cheating is involved, interest to take part in it will nosedive.
Just because they won't be the focus for you doesn't mean they won't be the focus for others.
Uhh.. Way to completely contradict yourself there buddy. Good to see you have no idea what you're talking about.. Why bother even commenting?
"You probably joined a progression group" then, "you wouldn't know"
Clearly I'd know if I joined something..
I never really played WoW, I attempted a few times, but it is shit. My friend made me buy all the expansions with him, and updated all the lame mods and super ugly gross UI everywhere with some client. It was utter crap. There is absolutely 0 purpose to parsers other than bragging rights.
And I don't care what level dungeon you think you have or haven't seen, parsers is what it is. Attempting to pass someone else and needing a graph to do it..
Aka, exactly what I described.
Maybe you need to get a parser on the forums to write better replies, ones that actually make sense.. Or something.. Seeing as how you seem to want to be so reliant on it.
This is the forum thread version of what I imagine inner city Detroit looks like.
Can we stop the rudeness and just all get in a hot tub (clothing optional) and relax?