How many abilities will an average max level character have?

I'm very excited about Ashes and continue to be the more information that I hear. One thing that has always concerned me though is the route they go with character abilities. I know there is supposed to be different abilities based on the weapon you have equipped, and of course your class/subclass chosen. I've never really heard how many abilities it is expected this will come out to though. Is it going to be something more like GW2 where you have a single hot bar of abilities that can be hot swapped in combat based on the weapon you have wielded, or is it going to be something more like EQ2 where you have potentially 10 hot bars of abilities?

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kalil

It would be very nice to know this. I am really looking forward to new info about the combat system!

seaber

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including the skills available after a weapon swap which I think should be included.

*edited to hopefully be clearer

LuckyGeek

Seaber wrote: »

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including weapon swap which I think should be.

Agreed, 10 is the magic number for me!

seaber

briarthethorn wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including weapon swap which I think should be.

Agreed, 10 is the magic number for me!

Not agreed. 10 is far too few

Damokles

Seaber wrote: »

briarthethorn wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including weapon swap which I think should be.

Agreed, 10 is the magic number for me!

Not agreed. 10 is far too few

GW2 has pretty much 16 skills actually, if you count the second weapon too.
And a rotation can have up to 55 steps xD

Nagash

I would say anything between 10 and 20

cotuk

If we will have 30 skills per character, i want 10 to be available at any time. I prefer having different skill sets for different situations, not piano gameplay all the time.

uthoge

Damokles wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

briarthethorn wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including weapon swap which I think should be.

Agreed, 10 is the magic number for me!

Not agreed. 10 is far too few

GW2 has pretty much 16 skills actually, if you count the second weapon too.
And a rotation can have up to 55 steps xD

The elementalists have even more skills

seaber

Damokles wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

briarthethorn wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

ravudha wrote: »

I hope it's not like GW2; that has too few. Around 10 would be nice.

Gw2 has a minimum of 11, not including weapon swap which I think should be.

Agreed, 10 is the magic number for me!

Not agreed. 10 is far too few

GW2 has pretty much 16 skills actually, if you count the second weapon too.D

If you include weapon swap then there is a minimum of 15 (I think). Additionally, I think skills behind weapon swaps should be included in the skill count, as I stated before. Skills locked behind the use of other skills would also be included if I did a full count, as well as things like dodge roll.

nerdifiedgeek

Just seeing that GW2 screenshot with the hot bar makes me cringe if that's what we are getting lol It just looks so..basic and boring

seaber

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

nerdifiedgeek

Seaber wrote: »

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

I think it's just more of a casual player perspective. Back when I played EQ2 I was a Fury that could either heal or DPS. Depending on the role I was taking at the time, I could be using a lot of my single target heals, or group heals. If I was just being used as a backup healer than I may be using a lot of single target attacks or AOEs. It made for a lot of diversity and the good Furies on the server would be well known if they could handle that diversity well. The casual player doesn't want to have to learn and focus on that many abilities, it's a lot of work. I feel that's important for a good MMO though, but that's not the feelings for everyone I know.

Zara

nerdifiedgeek wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

I think it's just more of a casual player perspective. Back when I played EQ2 I was a Fury that could either heal or DPS. Depending on the role I was taking at the time, I could be using a lot of my single target heals, or group heals. If I was just being used as a backup healer than I may be using a lot of single target attacks or AOEs. It made for a lot of diversity and the good Furies on the server would be well known if they could handle that diversity well. The casual player doesn't want to have to learn and focus on that many abilities, it's a lot of work. I feel that's important for a good MMO though, but that's not the feelings for everyone I know.

Yeah I agree especially since it takes a lot of time and effort to put in to learn all those skills

Damokles

Never say that 10-15 ability games are easy...
Did you ever see specific rotations in GW2?
Some go up to 70 steps (revenant) or even higher (weaver elemental)!
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Dragonhunter_-_Power_DPS
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Herald_-_Power_DPS
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Condi_DPS (56 step rotation)
And to know these is a normal fact in the higher raiding scene...

seaber

Czar wrote: »

nerdifiedgeek wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

I think it's just more of a casual player perspective. Back when I played EQ2 I was a Fury that could either heal or DPS. Depending on the role I was taking at the time, I could be using a lot of my single target heals, or group heals. If I was just being used as a backup healer than I may be using a lot of single target attacks or AOEs. It made for a lot of diversity and the good Furies on the server would be well known if they could handle that diversity well. The casual player doesn't want to have to learn and focus on that many abilities, it's a lot of work. I feel that's important for a good MMO though, but that's not the feelings for everyone I know.

Yeah I agree especially since it takes a lot of time and effort to put in to learn all those skills

So just build up the number skills people have as they progress. That way people get to learn without being overwhelmed

seaber

Damokles wrote: »

Never say that 10-15 ability games are easy...
Did you ever see specific rotations in GW2?
Some go up to 70 steps (revenant) or even higher (weaver elemental)!
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Dragonhunter_-_Power_DPS
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Herald_-_Power_DPS
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Condi_DPS (56 step rotation)
And to know these is a normal fact in the higher raiding scene...

Except a lot of these rotations are just: do the skills once in the right order and then do them as they come off cooldown
And rotations are not really relevant for pvp combat

Mythra

I think it should be more than 15 and less than 30!

Gimlog

It's has been said that we will have a 10 skill hotbar.
After some math I'm not hoping more than 20 skill for each archetype, between 15 and 20 .
Each of those base skill will have 4 or more augments.
So a class will have between 60 to 80 skill or even more ...

Steven said once he would like to see skills interact with each other once laughed but has to be confirmed if they are going to do so.

Skills attached to weapons was only for the BR . For the mmo skill may need a weapon type to be cast ( range need a bow to us arrow skills).

Ravudha

seaber wrote: »

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

Agreed, I originally said around 10, but when I saw the GW2 bar with that many it looked to be too few. I'd say 15-20 active skills at a time is ideal now. I'd want certain skills to be situational and others to be utility.

Damokles

Ravudha wrote: »

seaber wrote: »

I don't think the people saying they want only 10 skills realise how few that really is.

Agreed, I originally said around 10, but when I saw the GW2 bar with that many it looked to be too few. I'd say 15-20 active skills at a time is ideal now. I'd want certain skills to be situational and others to be utility.

GW2 actually has at least 15 skills, with skme classes having up to 25 (mesmer and elementalist) xD

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