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It's all about the word-play here, and if their world uses tank in this way, then you have to accept it regardless of how you feel. You could replace "tank" with any gibberish name like blarkenark and it would be the same. Fighter and Mage were created to describe the roles/generic actions they take and that is what tank will be.
Deal with it.
It's like having a class named "DPS"
Also,
Summoners summon fighters fight tanks tank. Oh wow it perfectly fit.
Summoners either use their summons for support, tank or dps though. It's like having a class called "support". Or "healer".
The problem is, Tank is a bad name for the arch-type.
Most Tanks, especially 'modern tanks' have huge guns on them. What I'm saying is, most Tanks 1-Shot non-Tanks. Literally, 1 Shell... 1 Dead HMVVW. 1 Shell, 1 Dead Squad. They do huge damage, that can armor pierce, and can AoE... while still being 'Heavy Armor'. And they have no CC... they CC by Huge Damage. Yes, they can apply that Huge Damage to say... the wheels of a HMMVW, but the problem is the damage doesn't JUST hit the wheels, that HMMVW is now blown into the air and destroyed.
But the Arch-type isn't supposed to do damage, and is supposed to control the battlefield with CC. Nothing like a Tank at all.
It's always been a lazy term.
I vote for renaming mages to houdini's
Oh contrare I believe class names will be important due to the utility and strength differences brought by each primary class.
From what steven has said at least. We still gotta wait and see to be sure.
Yes and tanks will evade, block, kite, cc, regenerate or flat out negate damage. Their role is and always will be the gathering of targets attention and making sure they themselves dont die while others support them during the fight to kill the targets.
Tank encompasses all variants of that type of character. No other suggested name can do the same. Or do you really think the tank/rogue swashbuckling pirate is a "guardian"? Is he guarding someone or just really good at distracting an enemy while not dying?
First of all, that isn't a Tank name. It's a rogue name. Because the primary class decides what role you take on, not the secondary. Secondly, all of these are place holder, including TANK and subject to change. So while tank has always had the potential to be changed, so do all of these names and the flavor tied to them due to such a change. Using them as evidence that "Guardian" would fit all of their name-sakes does not suddenly mean that "Guardian" will fit any of the changes that are almost guaranteed to happen to the class naming and designs due to iteration and optimization.
That swashbuckling pirate I mentioned earlier has just about as much chance of being the name for tank/rogue as anything else does.
shure its also used in the RL military. 1915 and so on this was 1st and 2nd ww and since in both was also germany involved wy not call then the class Panzer and the role Tank. tecnicly its the same only translated. but Tank in german means Tank as in term of Watertank or gasolinetank. so i guess highly that it did origin from there.
befor the RL tank was the Panzerwagen or armored car which later did morph into tank car. silmply easyer and faster to say.
but back to topic im totaly fine if it remains tank. but it could also be Knight since that does come the look of the class the closest. full body plate armor with shield and sword or grand sword.
while for the 2nd class with metal armor could go with gladiator due to its fight style.
Just to be clear, it’s not a class name, it’s an archetype name. The tank/x class names are things like ‘Guardian’, ‘Knight’ etc.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Class
There isnt exactly much important feedback to give while A2 hasnt been released yet.
They have lives streams every month, literally anymore is more important then complaining about names...
well i dont see a reason for any change in nameing it tank. and even once in the game peoples will keep nameing it tank and tanking, i dont belive they will change that so much since many players are simply used to call it thatway.
maybe the fighter could be gladiator since fighter tecnicly does go for any class that does fight.
and instead of mage maybe wizard, cause mage or better named "magiciants" IRL usualy are into illusions or slight of hands, but not in real magic or wizardry
and Mage/mage is Archwizard so it could be tecnicly be wizard
but just some thougths
ingame i think peoples will call it main class/augment class and not useing the 64 diffrent names so if you may play mage/mage or Fighter/hunter or else. i hope that the class/archetype selection name is displayed to the player and maybe others of a group by name or symbol to see it. it will for me definetly needing time until i memorize all 64 classes and have a basic knowledge of what they could do, or what their augment does.
It was fairly unlikely that names on the chart would change within the couple of years to launch in 2020.
Now that we are 2 years past the original launch date and launch is probably not before 2024/2025...
we can expect that there has been and will be plenty of time for the devs to contemplate different names for some of the classes...and possibly for some of the Archetypes.
I understand/agree that Tank as a name is a bit janky lore wise however that's simply because there is no english word that constitutes everything a "tank" does in game.
A Tank serves three ish functions Hold Aggro / Soak Damage / Control Pace so for naming you can narrow in on one of the three eg:
you could capture a tanks primary function of holding aggro and go with something like Provoker/Goader/Instigator.
you could capture a tanks defensive capabilities with something like Bastion/Defender/Warden perhaps make up some thing analogous to Steward but Wyrreward (old english war + ward)
You could emphasize a tanks role in setting the pace of the fight and leading their party forward with Leader/Overseer/Captain
you could make a case for each of these but the reality is I do not think there is a word that easily communicates all the secondary functions a tank has beyond the word tank and since it's not an actual class name but rather an architype I think it does a sufficient job in communicating what you are expected to do/will be doing.
The only thing we will need to see to determine whether or not it ought to be changed imo is how easy will it be for secondary tanks to main tank, eg are you fine bringing just a broodwarden and/or Sentinel, or are you required to take primary tanks to act as a main tank. If you need primary tanks to main leave the name tank its w/e, if you can get by with secondary tanks alone I would say you should probably shift it to something above and I lean towards Provoker/Goader/Instigator because imo the most important thing a tank needs to do is provoke/hold aggro if you kite and evade damage instead of soaking your doing your job, if the boss is hitting your dps/healer you've already failed.
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Nope. It's fine.
It's always a matter of context. And we will know what the Verran context is.