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The problem with having “Tank” as a class name

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  • ArtharionArtharion Member, Alpha Two
    Guardian would be a good name.
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    Artharion wrote: »
    Guardian would be a good name.

    Guardian is already the Tank/Tank combination.
    Defender would still be open as an option.
  • ArtharionArtharion Member, Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    Artharion wrote: »
    Guardian would be a good name.

    Guardian is already the Tank/Tank combination.
    Defender would still be open as an option.

    What about Sentinel?
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    Taken by another combination. I can look up which later.
  • MaiWaifuMaiWaifu Member, Braver of Worlds, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Maybe masochist?
  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Cosidering its an archtype name, and not a class name, who cares.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Sentinel is Ranger/Tank.

    The perceived issue with the ‘Tank’ archetype name is that it conflates a role with an archetype label. So, the most crucial question to ask is whether there is a class combination that doesn’t include a ‘tank’ that can actually play in the tank role.

    If ‘yes’ then Intrepid has some work to do.
    If ‘no’ then it’s fine until @Warth rez’s the topic in 4 months.
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  • DaggialDaggial Member, Alpha Two
    rename Tank to Guardian
    Guardian + Guardian = Juggernaut or something
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    Monkey Business (EU) is RECRUITING
  • KovrmKovrm Member, Alpha Two
    Shoximity wrote: »
    Oof, unfortunate that he stated it won’t change. I was really trying to fix mine and others future immersion. Well, they better give the class a transformers like feature so I can roll around and shoot artillery from my cannon arms.

    Lol.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Sentinel is Ranger/Tank.

    The perceived issue with the ‘Tank’ archetype name is that it conflates a role with an archetype label. So, the most crucial question to ask is whether there is a class combination that doesn’t include a ‘tank’ that can actually play in the tank role.

    If ‘yes’ then Intrepid has some work to do.
    If ‘no’ then it’s fine until @Warth rez’s the topic in 4 months.
    Can you play a Rogue/Rogue who fights? If yes, Fighter might need some work.
    Can you play a Rogue/Rogue who wields magic? If yes, Mage might need some work.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    Dygz wrote: »
    Can you play a Rogue/Rogue who fights? If yes, Fighter might need some work.
    Can you play a Rogue/Rogue who wields magic? If yes, Mage might need some work.

    You already know my rebuttal, but for the youts: neither 'fighter' nor 'mage' are MMO group roles: e.g. 'tank', 'healer', 'dps', or 'support.' I mean it would be awkward if we renamed 'Fighter' to 'melee dps.' Rogues would be like 'WTF!?'

    It wouldn't be appropriate to label the Cleric archetype as 'Healer' because Bards can also serve in that role. If no other archetype could heal, then Cleric could be Healer. So it follows that if any other archetype can be a viable tank, then the 'tank' archetype label fails because you have one label meaning two different things.

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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    None of the labels matter as long as everyone knows how the game uses the labels.
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    None of the labels matter as long as everyone knows how the game uses the labels.

    Totally. But if a label means two different things in the same game, the label literally fails at a functional level.
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  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    Cosidering its an archtype name, and not a class name, who cares.

    @PenguinPaladin its the first impression new players get so it matters quite a lot.

    According to Intrepid, you'll also spend quite some time within the game before getting your secondary.
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Sentinel is Ranger/Tank.

    The perceived issue with the ‘Tank’ archetype name is that it conflates a role with an archetype label. So, the most crucial question to ask is whether there is a class combination that doesn’t include a ‘tank’ that can actually play in the tank role.

    If ‘yes’ then Intrepid has some work to do.
    If ‘no’ then it’s fine until @Warth rez’s the topic in 4 months.

    Its been 12 months <.<

    Aalso its @daveywavey 's fault for reminding me that this exists
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    You're both busted. :s
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Dygz wrote: »
    None of the labels matter as long as everyone knows how the game uses the labels.

    Totally. But if a label means two different things in the same game, the label literally fails at a functional level.
    It won't really mean the same thing. In Ashes, Tanks tank.
    Any other meaning of tank is going to be similar to a Rogue fighting.
    A Fighter can tank just as a Rogue can fight.

    Especially in a game that is balanced around having one of each Primary Archetype in an 8-person group...
    When you are looking for a Tank, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Tank. Just as when you are looking for a Fighter, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Fighter.
  • WarthWarth Member, Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    Dygz wrote: »
    None of the labels matter as long as everyone knows how the game uses the labels.

    Totally. But if a label means two different things in the same game, the label literally fails at a functional level.
    It won't really mean the same thing. In Ashes, Tanks tank.
    Any other meaning of tank is going to be similar to a Rogue fighting.
    A Fighter can tank just as a Rogue can fight.

    Especially in a game that is balanced around having one of each Primary Archetype in an 8-person group...
    When you are looking for a Tank, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Tank. Just as when you are looking for a Fighter, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Fighter.

    Nobody will use the class names anyway. 64 is far too much to remember for it to be productive.

    For any communication they will prolly be abbreviated into.

    Ta/Fi or similar
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    Especially in a game that is balanced around having one of each Primary Archetype in an 8-person group...
    When you are looking for a Tank, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Tank. Just as when you are looking for a Fighter, you are looking for a Primary Archetype Fighter.

    Yup.
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    Nobody will use the class names anyway. 64 is far too much to remember for it to be productive.

    For any communication they will prolly be abbreviated into.

    Ta/Fi or similar
    People will use the Primary Archetype names because the game is balanced to have one of each Primary Archetype in an 8-person group.
  • SirChancelotSirChancelot Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    Artharion wrote: »
    Guardian would be a good name.

    Change tank to guardian and change the tank/tank to something else... Just like @Daggial said

    It's just weird having a archetype called by it's role

  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Warth wrote: »
    PenguinPaladin wrote: »
    Cosidering its an archtype name, and not a class name, who cares.

    @PenguinPaladin its the first impression new players get so it matters quite a lot.

    According to Intrepid, you'll also spend quite some time within the game before getting your secondary.

    You will spend quite some time as a single archetype, sure.

    Its the "first impression players get" so it maters quite a lot. To someone, you, i guess so sure.

    I dont care in the least. I think the name of the archtype matters little. I think it is even such a small and meaningless change that in the overall aspect of the game it is meaningless.

    At the very least i see it as so unimportant, that i would rather see the game become more complete than see someone working for intrepid having to constantly read through, debait, and stress over the communities responce to the name of an archtype.

    But i mean, i guess other people have other priorities. Thats something i can acknowledge. But if ashes of creation fully released with "tank" as an archtype name, i dont see it that turning anyone away.
  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    SirChancelot wrote: »
    Artharion wrote: »
    Guardian would be a good name.

    Change tank to guardian and change the tank/tank to something else...

    It's just weird having a archetype called by it's role

    What if we swapped tank and guardian completely?

    Surely guardian/guardian can be called tank. As that is its role and focus.

    Swaping them removes the "first impression argument"
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    CROW3 wrote: »
    You're both busted. :s

    It was JustVine, it wasn't me!!!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    CROW3 wrote: »
    You're both busted. :s

    It was JustVine, it wasn't me!!!

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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    I'm beginning to MORB Necro at all these posts lately.

    Leave it at Tank. I, as a tank main, want to be a Tank.
  • PenguinPaladinPenguinPaladin Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    NiKr wrote: »
    I'm beginning to MORB Necro at all these posts lately.

    Leave it at Tank. I, as a tank main, want to be a Tank.

    I also want nikr to be a tank.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 2022
    CROW3 wrote: »
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