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Wielding unwieldy weapons

RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
in General Discussion
My favorite character of all time is Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. His ability to wield a 1-H sword and 2-H stave is amazing and was magnified by the movies and the games. I have been trying to re-create that style of combat in every game since, to no avail.

So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

What other weapon combinations would you all like to see?
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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.
     
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  • RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    That's sad to hear. It would make me a lifetime player for sure. I've heard that we'll be able to change weapons in combat. Depending on the time to change weapons it might make it worth it. I love everything I'm seeing in AoC. So, I'll be playing either way.
  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Well, its not difficult to make that happen, its just very time-intensive to program and balance that. For example the new Baldurs Gate 3 uses D&D rules. In the game some weapons like the long sword can be used with one hand or with two. With two hands you make a little bit more damage. But baldurs gate doesnt allow two long swords as far as i know, only a long sword and a shield.
    But lets be real, everything can be programmed, its only a matter of time and if you really want to try to balance that. I think they will have enough to do with all the classes and the other augmentations to not try something like that at his time.
  • fathergoosefathergoose Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I always do this exact thing in Dark Souls games, and eventually it always hits a brick wall with my limited skill at those games. Still though, feels incredible to sword and staff around a dark fantasy world.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Atama wrote: »
    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    What abou........ Nyaaaaaaawwww crap... :(

    :p:D

    ;)
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Roschambo wrote: »
    So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

    Maybe you can ask for a four-armed Tulnar race? Four arms = Four hands, and four hands can easily hold a 1H sword and a 2H staff, with one left to spare!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Then we need centipedes
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Amma wrote: »
    Then we need centipedes

    Whirlwind Spin Attack with a sword in each hand = WIN
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  • HellfarHellfar Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Atama wrote: »
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    I mean, WoW introduced 2-handed dual-wielding for Fury warriors in Wrath of the Lich King. So, anything is possible, depending on the augments that are made available. I personally would like to see this as well, as it would give a more unique feel to the classes involved.
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Well in dnd a quarterstaff is a versatile weapon and can be wielded either with 1h or 2h.

    Just make staffs versatile. Could get some interesting combos.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    How about: Short Staff is 1H, Long Staff is 2H. Then, you can take your pick!
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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Tbh, we will be able to wield spears one handedly with a shield in the off hand. I see no problem with dual wielding a staff and sword at the same time.
  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Hellfar wrote: »
    Atama wrote: »
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    I mean, WoW introduced 2-handed dual-wielding for Fury warriors in Wrath of the Lich King. So, anything is possible, depending on the augments that are made available. I personally would like to see this as well, as it would give a more unique feel to the classes involved.
    I'm going by what the developers of Ashes of Creation have publicly said, which I think is a slightly better indicator than what someone once did in an unrelated MMO. Just saying.
     
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  • Sov54Sov54 Member
    edited October 2020
    Dunno, but in some games there are wands and offhands with short staff skins, maybe your hopes should be there!
  • ThreatherThreather Member, Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Roschambo wrote: »
    So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

    Maybe you can ask for a four-armed Tulnar race? Four arms = Four hands, and four hands can easily hold a 1H sword and a 2H staff, with one left to spare!

    Sounds like Torgal from The Last Remnant:
    https://lastremnant.fandom.com/wiki/Torgal
  • RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sov54 wrote: »
    Dunno, but in some games there are wands and offhands with short staff skins, maybe your hopes should be there!

    I would find that acceptable if I could look the part at least.
  • VoidwalkersVoidwalkers Member
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)
  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    Voidwalkers wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    Most of the longswords could be wield with one or two hands back then.
    Bastard-swords existed too. Where do you thing they have their name from? Its a "bastard" of a shortsword and a longsword. These were called from some people "one and a half hander". So europe had that too, and after that most rpgs had, but in most of the games bastardswords are mostly onehander.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Voidwalkers wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...
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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Voidwalkers wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...

    Not allowing 'katana' dw for the sake of realism is extreme and would hurt the game.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    George Black wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Voidwalkers wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...

    Not allowing 'katana' dw for the sake of realism is extreme and would hurt the game.

    Isn't this the part where cosmetics will play a role?

    If not, orc weebs will most likely have a one handed version of a katana.

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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Everyone else: *talks about dual wielding katanas*
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    With the way Ashes weapon skills are being set up, I don't see any reason why they couldn't make staves both one and two handed weapons, and have a separate skills for each - or even just a specific line within the same skill tree.

    Obviously they wouldn't be as powerful in one hand as they are in two, but that then allows players to opt to use a staff and sword, or even a staff and shield if they want to.

    It would mean a little more to balance, but I can't see any reason it couldn't be done.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

    DnteBWoU0AA1dRT.jpg

    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

    Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

    DnteBWoU0AA1dRT.jpg

    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

    Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!

    No
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/48574/feasibility-of-dual-wielding-spears
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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.
  • VentharienVentharien Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'd like it if they gave this subject the DnD treatment. Allow duel wielding with staves, but at a lowered damage potential, (utilizing it as a one handed weapon) and a higher damage potential if you don't dual wield.
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