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Wielding unwieldy weapons

RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
My favorite character of all time is Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. His ability to wield a 1-H sword and 2-H stave is amazing and was magnified by the movies and the games. I have been trying to re-create that style of combat in every game since, to no avail.

So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

What other weapon combinations would you all like to see?
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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.
     
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  • RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    That's sad to hear. It would make me a lifetime player for sure. I've heard that we'll be able to change weapons in combat. Depending on the time to change weapons it might make it worth it. I love everything I'm seeing in AoC. So, I'll be playing either way.
  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Well, its not difficult to make that happen, its just very time-intensive to program and balance that. For example the new Baldurs Gate 3 uses D&D rules. In the game some weapons like the long sword can be used with one hand or with two. With two hands you make a little bit more damage. But baldurs gate doesnt allow two long swords as far as i know, only a long sword and a shield.
    But lets be real, everything can be programmed, its only a matter of time and if you really want to try to balance that. I think they will have enough to do with all the classes and the other augmentations to not try something like that at his time.
  • fathergoosefathergoose Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I always do this exact thing in Dark Souls games, and eventually it always hits a brick wall with my limited skill at those games. Still though, feels incredible to sword and staff around a dark fantasy world.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Atama wrote: »
    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    What abou........ Nyaaaaaaawwww crap... :(

    :p:D

    ;)
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Roschambo wrote: »
    So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

    Maybe you can ask for a four-armed Tulnar race? Four arms = Four hands, and four hands can easily hold a 1H sword and a 2H staff, with one left to spare!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Then we need centipedes
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Amma wrote: »
    Then we need centipedes

    Whirlwind Spin Attack with a sword in each hand = WIN
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • HellfarHellfar Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Atama wrote: »
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    I mean, WoW introduced 2-handed dual-wielding for Fury warriors in Wrath of the Lich King. So, anything is possible, depending on the augments that are made available. I personally would like to see this as well, as it would give a more unique feel to the classes involved.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    Well in dnd a quarterstaff is a versatile weapon and can be wielded either with 1h or 2h.

    Just make staffs versatile. Could get some interesting combos.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    How about: Short Staff is 1H, Long Staff is 2H. Then, you can take your pick!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Tbh, we will be able to wield spears one handedly with a shield in the off hand. I see no problem with dual wielding a staff and sword at the same time.
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  • AtamaAtama Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Hellfar wrote: »
    Atama wrote: »
    Dual-wielding is only permitted for one-handed weapons, sorry. Staves are two-handed weapons.

    And before anyone brings it up, dual-wielding shields has been ruled out as well.

    I mean, WoW introduced 2-handed dual-wielding for Fury warriors in Wrath of the Lich King. So, anything is possible, depending on the augments that are made available. I personally would like to see this as well, as it would give a more unique feel to the classes involved.
    I'm going by what the developers of Ashes of Creation have publicly said, which I think is a slightly better indicator than what someone once did in an unrelated MMO. Just saying.
     
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  • Sov54Sov54 Member
    edited October 2020
    Dunno, but in some games there are wands and offhands with short staff skins, maybe your hopes should be there!
  • ThreatherThreather Member, Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Roschambo wrote: »
    So if I put enough skill points into my weapon, can I wield a stave and sword together?

    Maybe you can ask for a four-armed Tulnar race? Four arms = Four hands, and four hands can easily hold a 1H sword and a 2H staff, with one left to spare!

    Sounds like Torgal from The Last Remnant:
    https://lastremnant.fandom.com/wiki/Torgal
  • RoschamboRoschambo Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Sov54 wrote: »
    Dunno, but in some games there are wands and offhands with short staff skins, maybe your hopes should be there!

    I would find that acceptable if I could look the part at least.
  • (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)
  • AmmaAmma Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    Most of the longswords could be wield with one or two hands back then.
    Bastard-swords existed too. Where do you thing they have their name from? Its a "bastard" of a shortsword and a longsword. These were called from some people "one and a half hander". So europe had that too, and after that most rpgs had, but in most of the games bastardswords are mostly onehander.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...

    Not allowing 'katana' dw for the sake of realism is extreme and would hurt the game.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited October 2020
    daveywavey wrote: »
    (Seeing the thread drifting towards 1H / 2H direction)
    What about the technically "one and a half handed" Japanese katanas? (They are often weird-sized blades that can be wielded sometimes~ 1H and sometimes~ 2H, depending on the strike you're performing)

    If you let me dual-wield katanas, I'll love you forever...

    Not allowing 'katana' dw for the sake of realism is extreme and would hurt the game.

    Isn't this the part where cosmetics will play a role?

    If not, orc weebs will most likely have a one handed version of a katana.

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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Everyone else: *talks about dual wielding katanas*
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    With the way Ashes weapon skills are being set up, I don't see any reason why they couldn't make staves both one and two handed weapons, and have a separate skills for each - or even just a specific line within the same skill tree.

    Obviously they wouldn't be as powerful in one hand as they are in two, but that then allows players to opt to use a staff and sword, or even a staff and shield if they want to.

    It would mean a little more to balance, but I can't see any reason it couldn't be done.
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

    DnteBWoU0AA1dRT.jpg

    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

    Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Sathrago wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

    DnteBWoU0AA1dRT.jpg

    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I checked youtube and got an old Chinese king fu video that shows a guy twirling around with knives taped to batons.

    Were they biiiiiig loooooong spear-length batons?!

    No
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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    Me (an intellectual): "If we can wield a spear and a shield at the same time, can we then dual wield spears?"

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    Hehe, that sure sounds impractical! I wonder if anyone's ever tried it in RL.

    I would think that it would be as good as dual wielding katanas.
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  • VentharienVentharien Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I'd like it if they gave this subject the DnD treatment. Allow duel wielding with staves, but at a lowered damage potential, (utilizing it as a one handed weapon) and a higher damage potential if you don't dual wield.
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